Vikings in the 21st century
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A better analogy would be a legion of circa 100 AD Roman soldiers popping up in Viking times (1000 AD or so). A huge societal and technological collapse had occured with the fall of the Empire, and humanity was still not back where it had been.
An argument could also be made that the Viking era was one of a long history of migration crises, where migratory people's had pushed into western frontiers from the east as preexisting societies grew too weak to resist the incursions (Goths, Alans, Huns, the Caliphate, Mongols, Turks,etc).
A far flung eastern colonial power raiding European cities, looting, raping, and trying to impose it's will by force in the 21st century would be Russians.
The Vikings founded Russia…
Shortly before Season 3 started, I read a book about the historical setting of the King Arthur legend, so S3 gave me strong vibes of that.
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Oversimplification
There is also the technological factor that much of its progress has plateaued or change marginally. There us also no language barrier, while Vikings or Romans would be at a disadvantage.
History does a lot of that. Like Columbus discovering America, despite Amerigo Vespucci and Eric the Red both beating him to it.
You can't study history and not oversimplify it.
I'm studying migration patterns and how that impacted Native American nations forming based upon population and resource pressures.
The level of detail I'd overwhelming. I need some big picture oversimplification because otherwise I couldn't get most of it down.
And I don't know if it was deliberate, but you also reminded me that Native American ancestors discovered America millenia before Eric the Red did. So 
, whatever your intention.
, whatever your intention.
I mean, it wasn't but it's interesting. And there is genetic research being done to trace generations of these migration patterns. Yeah, it's a rabbit hole of mine that gets me stuck sometimes.And I don't know if it was deliberate, but you also reminded me that Native American ancestors discovered America millenia before Eric the Red did. So
Amerigo came after, and it was Leif, not his father. Erik settled Greenland. And the Irish would say that Brendan was before all of them.
In 1499, Vespucci joined an expedition licensed by Spain and led by Alonso de Ojeda as fleet commander and Juan de la Cosa as chief navigator. Their intention was to explore the coast of a new landmass found by Columbus on his third voyage and in particular investigate a rich source of pearls that Columbus had reported.
Ok. The Varangians were Viking conquerors, traders and settlers, mostly from present-day Sweden. The Varangians settled in the territories of present-day Belarus, Russia and Ukraine from the 8th and 9th centuries, and established the state of Kievan Rus' as well as the principalities of Polotsk and Turov. The Rurik dynasty would continue to rule until the death of Feodor I of Russia in 1598. Need more?
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Except in Star Trek, very little has changed in 900 years. Is it plausible? Of course not. But they went for holos, sparkly magic matter and same stuff different day.
Which is how Trek has always treated leaps forward. You have small changes, but the weapons, and transportation all remain the same.
Trek prefers a status quo. It's not believable and it won't be. But, then, once I studied up on space travel and such and realized that Trek isn't believable, I became less concerned about that part.
I dunno. When you consider how often in the franchise a world changing technological advancement gets shoved to the side and forgotten, it actually makes way too much sense that the 32nd century isn't noticeably different than the 24th.
I wonder if whoever thought up floating nacelles knew their invention would be the one advancement the Federation would embrace? And how would that make them feel?
It has a tech the latter period doesn't have. Enough so they upgraded and infused the ship with advanced technology. Problem solved.
Given that Discovery was given a refit and brought up to 32nd century specs, i don't see what the issue is?
Exactly my point. I’d like to see a Viking galley refitted and brought up to 21st century specs. Put a nuclear reactor on a wooden sailing vessel.
False equivalence given ship designs employ similar tech enough for Discovery to be usable, with modifications.
Not even remotely the same.
