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Vic Fontaine almost ruined DS9.

Is each file a song? Is that 55,000 individual songs?

Not necessarily a song, but a piece of music, or part of a larger piece of music if it's a movement of a symphony or such.

The top ten 'artists' I have music for:
Track Count Artist
3,758 Bach
1,662 Beethoven
1,161 John Williams (as conductor/composer)
1,003 A DJ who lets fans download his streams
894 Stravinsky
779 Paul Whiteman
708 Austin Wintory
562 Glee
558 Ron Jones
552 Jerry Goldsmith

As you can see, that doesn't even get into Rock and Roll or Pop music.
 
I think it was aimed at people old enough to remember Sinatra and the Rat Pack, meant to be nostalgic for them. That's a little before my time, so I don't care much about Vic, but I didn't hate him either.

Really, there's quite an obsession with the 20th Century among many Starfleet officers across numerous ships and stations, not to mention someone quoting Shakespeare every time you turn around. I mean why wouldn't they like 23rd or 24th Century entertainment? Because the show was made for humans living in the 20th Century.

That's of course the real reason. In-universe, you'd expect most people to actually care about the 20th century no more than average people in real life care about the 17th century. And among the few 'history buffs' that would be there you'd expect some to be interested in the 18th, others in the 20th, and yet others in the 22nd century.

Unless of course, the 20th century stood out like a sore thumb in later history, a pivotal time somehow.
 
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Well, having pre-Eugenics wars, pre- (official) first contact nostalgia is hardly surprising. Many secretly long for a simpler life, even if they're remembering it with rose-colored glasses. Even their adventures are simpler, with low-tech, and differing sets of skills needed.
 
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That's of course the real reason. In-universe, you'd expect most people to actually care about the 20th century no more than average people in real life care about the 17th century. And among the few 'history buffs' that would be there you'd expect some to be interested in the 18th, others in the 20th, and yet others in the 22nd century.

Unless of course, the 20th century stood out like a sore thumb in later history, a pivotal time somehow.
What was that thing going around a few months ago about how often men think about Ancient Rome? Maybe the 20the century is like that. (I never think about Ancient Rome. I think about WWII CONSTANTLY.)

Invention of powered flight. Computers. Mass media. (You can't listen to actual Beethoven or watch actual Shakespeare but you can listen to authentic Bing Crosby.) Beginnings of space travel. Nuclear power.

This is probably as a side effect of being written IN the 20th century but the way the characters are portrayed I can see where they would see the 20th century as where much of their way of life was beginning.
 
Really, there's quite an obsession with the 20th Century among many Starfleet officers across numerous ships and stations, not to mention someone quoting Shakespeare every time you turn around. I mean why wouldn't they like 23rd or 24th Century entertainment? Because the show was made for humans living in the 20th Century.
Lots of people are fascinated by different periods of history. I'm constantly studying bronze age discoveries and life, as well as the Roman Empire and Greek philosophers.

I'm hardly up to date on the most contemporary entertainment and enjoy music and shows from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 2000s.

Yes, the outside explanation is that it was made for humans living in the 20th century, just like the dust buster reference in Back to the Future 2.

But, there are also people like the gallant heroes that exist nowadays too.
 
I'm not really into the music Vic performed in the series but I don't disklike it either. I find it relaxing in a way and the concept with a sort of nightclub where.the crew on the station and visitor to the station could relax and have a good time.

If I was around, I would probably hang out a ot at Vic's place.

What i did discover thanks to DS9 was some of James Darren's older hits from the early 60's when he was more rock oriented. "Goodbye Cruel World" is actually great.

But something I don't understand is why the rock music from the 50's, 60's and onwards is totally left out. I mean, those 24th century people listen to Mozart, Stravinsky, Bach and all sort of classical music and they listen to jazz, Sinatra and a lot of music from the 20th century. But not rock music! :shrug:

I mean, I haven't seen, heard or read about anyone who even mention The Beatles, Rolling Stones or Elvis who were and actually still are huge over the world, definitely as popular as Bach and his fellows were back in their days so it's strange that this epoch seems to be forgotten in the 24th century.
 
I mean, I haven't seen, heard or read about anyone who even mention The Beatles, Rolling Stones or Elvis who were and actually still are huge over the world, definitely as popular as Bach and his fellows were back in their days so it's strange that this epoch seems to be forgotten in the 24th century.
Lost in the 90s.
 
I mean, those 24th century people listen to Mozart, Stravinsky, Bach and all sort of classical music and they listen to jazz, Sinatra and a lot of music from the 20th century. But not rock music!
Vic played a type of Jazz, very light in its approach to the genre, but the songs he and his ensemble played were very well-tested mid-century pop. They range from the 1930s to 60s and were the songs that were popular with the war generation. they exposed their children to them. Rock, as a popular genre, is rather stylistically diverse and arguably not unified. Moreover, those songs would be newer and more expensive.

But as a test, let's revisit a suggestion from the studio execs for another series: could boy bands play at Quark's? OK, maybe not boy bands, but wouldn't the show have gotten hokey if b-grade bands following Pearl Jam's coattails started showing up on the station?
 
Lost in the 90s.
I'm not so sure what you mean here.

When it comes to rock music, it was still very popular in the 90's, especially hard rock and heavy metal.
In fact, rock music is still popular, artists like Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Iron Maiden and Metallica are still selling out big arenas, something rappers and lightweight pop artists don't do even if they get more media attention and airplay now.


Vic played a type of Jazz, very light in its approach to the genre, but the songs he and his ensemble played were very well-tested mid-century pop. They range from the 1930s to 60s and were the songs that were popular with the war generation. they exposed their children to them. Rock, as a popular genre, is rather stylistically diverse and arguably not unified. Moreover, those songs would be newer and more expensive.

But as a test, let's revisit a suggestion from the studio execs for another series: could boy bands play at Quark's? OK, maybe not boy bands, but wouldn't the show have gotten hokey if b-grade bands following Pearl Jam's coattails started showing up on the station?

A lot of good bands shows up on Deep Space Nine in the 24th century, especially at Quark's and Vic's place as you can see of those ads:



And those latest sensations:



Most appreciated are the Gamma Quadrant sensation The Vortas with their stunning re-worked versions of the hits made by the 20th century song group The Mamas and The Papas, such as "Founder Founder, "Dedicated To The Founders We Love" and "Gamma Quadrant Dreaming".


Not to mention the splendid performance at Vic's Lounge when Vic Fontaine himself sings the old James Darren classic "Goodbye Cruel World" backed by the song group Kes and The Kestrels and Odo playing occarina.

:)
 
But not rock music!

Probably because it was considered too contemporary. I mean, look what happened when they made the THEME SONG more contemporary.

People in the 24th century listened to classic music because it's all public domain and cost paramount nothing to use. Rock music would have been expensive. Also Rick Berman hates music and he barely tolerated score music, so there was no way Data was going to be playing Immigrant song on his violin in ten forward.
 
People in the 24th century listened to classic music because it's all public domain and cost paramount nothing to use. Rock music would have been expensive. Also Rick Berman hates music and he barely tolerated score music, so there was no way Data was going to be playing Immigrant song on his violin in ten forward.
So Berman hates music.
Well, that says all about him.
As I see it, there must be something wrong with those who hate music.
I've only encountered one such person in my life, a person who worked at the same place as I did many years ago and that person was a mean, scheming scumbag, always out to create trouble with gossip and lies.

As for Paramount, they are very greedy so I'm not surprised.
 
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