Spoilers Venom reviews and discussion

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Grade "Venom"

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  2. A

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  3. A-

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  4. B+

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  5. B

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  6. B-

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  7. C+

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  8. C

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  9. C-

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  10. D+

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  11. D

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  12. D-

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  1. Turd Ferguson

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    I just got back from watching it. It starts off pretty slow, but I really enjoyed it once the Venom "parasite" :lol: infects Eddie. I loved Venom's inner monologue. I wasn't expecting much from it, and really thought about not seeing it when it turned out to be PG-13, but I'm glad I saw it!
     
  2. Captaindemotion

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    The triumph of low expectations - a friend wanted to see it, so I went along expecting very little from it. And compared to Black Panther, Infinity War or Deadpool 2, it really doesn’t hold comparisons to the rest of this year’s superhero outings. The comparisons with the Daredevils etc of this world are well-made.

    However, Hardy is never less than fun to watch and this was no exception. His Brock and the symbiote - I assume Tom voiced it too - did make a rather amusing, if unlikely double act. The normally watchable Michelle Williams (nice to see her back on the big screen) and Riz Ahmed were wasted, unfortunately.

    The ending was a fairly generic superhero (or antihero) fights evil version of himself that we’ve seen countless times but Hardy did manage to keep it watchable, even under a mountain of CGI.

    I’ll give it a probably-generous C+.
     
  3. c0rnedfr0g

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    Rather than state my complaints and accolades, I will instead outline what I would've liked to have seen (and the good/bad from the actual film can thus be inferred). I'm not a huge Venom fan, but I am a fan of movies and Marvel, so here goes....

    Here's my story treatment for an initial Venom movie (this is NOT what actually happens): NASA astronauts (or perhaps Trump's new Space Corps?) encounter the Venom Goop and bring it back to Earth to study. In typical govt fashion, studying it becomes experimenting on it which is akin to torture to the Venom Goop. Somehow it manages to escape. Don't make the govt be the bad guys, just have them unaware that the Venom Goop is sentient, much less being tortured (kind of like Odo's origin in ST: DS9 ).

    Cut to Eddie (Tom Hardy). He's down on his luck and generally a good person, and especially generous to those close to him, but not as altruistic as the version we got. Eddie happens upon the escaped Venom Goop, and there is a struggle between his good nature and the unbridled rage of a tortured Venom Goop. Being down on his luck, Eddie uses his new powers here and there to his advantage, as he believes the ends justify the means. But he is slowly being corrupted by the power, and then something happens that makes him lose faith in humanity (maybe someone close to him dies in an unfair manner) or otherwise give zero fucks, and he embraces the Venom persona.

    The 3rd act consists of the govt catching up to Venom (due to Eddie using his powers more liberally), and the big finale is Venom just wrecking (good guy) soldiers. Eventually the army thinks they destroyed Venom, but Venom/Eddie has actually managed to escape. The film ends w/ them laying low, plotting until they (Venom/Eddie) can continue their mischief in the next movie.

    Similar ending to the 2008 Hulk mid-movie govt battle, but the motivations are way different. Any hope of redemption for Eddie is reserved for a future film.
     
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  4. Turtletrekker

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    Venom's domestic gross after two weekends will be approximately $142 million dollars.
     
  5. Relayer1

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    Just seen it. I didn't expect much, but I quite enjoyed it. It wasn't great, but I don't regret going - I gave it a solid 'B'.
     
  6. Relayer1

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    Thinking back, I have a question about the fate of the symbionts :
    It looked like one was dead next to a host in one of the cells when Eddie broke in. What about the other ? Was that the one we saw earlier hosted by the black guy ?

    And where's Carnage ?
     
  7. The Borgified Corpse

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    Wrong decade. A generic 1990s superhero movie would be a garish POS like Steel or The Phantom. Venom is much slicker than that. But it is very 2000s. The one it reminds me of the most is Ghost Rider-- quirky, decent-but-flawed hero possessed by something darker; mindless CGI battle ensues. It lacks the genuine sense of a unique identity that we've gotten used to from most of the Marvel Studios movies.

    That said, I thought it was OK. I'm not in any rush to see it again but I probably will because I have friends who haven't seen it yet. I don't think much of the character or the action scenes or the FX. But I really enjoyed Tom Hardy's performance. He brings a real character performance to a role that could have been a very straight, boring leading-man. I can't say I recommend it but you could do worse.

    I'll certainly take it over the insufferable wink-wink-nudge-nudge of Deadpool.

    I suspect the reason why it's doing so well is because they had the good sense to release it in October, after all of the big summer blockbusters are already gone and we've had a chance to miss them. It's had no genuine competition. A month or 2 later, it would have been crushed by the absolute clusterf--k that we're building up to at the end of this year.

    Yeah, ratings for action movies are pretty subjective. Compare the PG-13 rated theatrical cut of Daredevil with the R rated Director's Cut. All of the goriest moments are still in the PG-13 version. The Director's Cut just has longer action scenes and a more morose tone, which makes it feel darker. But it's still a very dark movie and absolutely should not be attended by the same 4-year-old kids whose parents took them to see a PG-13 rated Spider-Man movie.

    I don't think that the R rated version of Venom would be substantially different. Venom already kills people and bites their heads off. We just don't see the kind of blood that we would plausibly be seeing from that IRL. I suspect that an R rated Venom would feel about as different as the R rated version of The Wolverine.
     
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  8. Christopher

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    PG-13 has become pretty much useless as a guide to content. Since most every movie wants to get that rating, they keep nibbling away at the edges of the category -- relatively inoffensive movies tack on enough language to get bumped up from PG, intense and gory movies trim just enough to get bumped down from R -- and that's had the effect of stretching it so much in both directions that it's no longer a meaningful indicator either way.
     
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  9. The Borgified Corpse

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    Just as well. Thanks to the movie industry's largely toothless lip service towards policing itself, we've been able to avoid any formal government censorship for decades. And that would almost certainly be worse.
     
  10. Christopher

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    There was stricter censorship under the Hays Code from the '40s to the '60s (although, like the Comics Code from the same era, it was self-imposed by the industry to avoid government censorship). The MPAA ratings system was what allowed movies to break free of that and tell a wider range of stories. But the original ratings were more informative, more meaningful, because people hadn't yet learned how to game the system to try to give the same preferred rating to practically every movie.

    The point of ratings is not to "police" content, it's to inform viewers of what they're getting. That's what gave movies the freedom to include every level of content up to explicit adult material, because the ratings system let people tell which movies were okay for kids and which weren't, so that they could make responsible selections and it was no longer necessary to require every movie to be family-friendly. So you have it backward. It was a meaningful, informative ratings system that let the industry break free from being "policed." The problem is that the ratings' original goal of providing information has been distorted by marketing concerns, with some ratings being considered more desirable/profitable than others.
     
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  11. Turtletrekker

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  13. Turtletrekker

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    The budget was "only" one hundred million. This is a genuine win for Sony.
     
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  14. Saul

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    Not as bad as Predator but I didn't realise this was going to be a comedy. Not worth watching. Venom doesn't work without that Spider-man relationship. I hope Marvel's Spiderman doesn't touch this with a stick.

    The only good thing about the whole movie was the end credits scene.Then it started to get interesting.

    Wasn't there a symbiote unaccounted for?
    One died, one was Venom, the other was an orangey color, but nothing is shown of it's fate. Riot was the fourth one
     
  15. Turtletrekker

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  16. tomswift2002

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    So I just finished watching the Blu-Ray. Wow! What an underwhelming movie. Besides the foul language that I really could've done without, Tom Hardy was not convincing as Eddie Brock. I mean, every other movie or TV show that I've seen with Brock in it, he's always portrayed as someone who works out and his some muscles---not competition-level muscles, but still you can tell that he works out. As I was watching the part where he was about to loose his apartment, I couldn't help but think back to the 1994 Spider-Man TV series and the similar scene in The Alien Costume episode where Brock finds out about being kicked out of his apartment. The voice-actor in that episode and even the animators really got across Brock's rage and gave us an inkling as to why Brock would willingly join up with Venom. Tom Hardy, I found didn't get that across, and it was more "oh, Brock and Venom are compatible on a cellular level"---ok, sure, whatever.

    The final fight scene between Venom and Riot---really it was reminding me of the horrible ending to the 1990's Super Mario Brothers movie and the fight between Mario, Luigi and Bowser on the catwalk.

    Suffice it to say, I think Spider-Man 3 was a much better introduction movie for Venom than Venom, and I really wish that they had gone forward with Spider-Man 4, especially since now I've found that The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 and Venomj all fall into the "Really! Did they need to make this movie?" category.

    Anyway, in the poll I gave it a D-.
     
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  17. King Daniel Beyond

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    Loved this. So much silly fun.
     
  18. Turtletrekker

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  19. Gaith

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    Finally caught this flick on a free Hulu trial with a free Starz add-on trial, and I'm still concerned I may have overpaid. If not for Hardy, and one great line from Ahmed ("that's hurtful; I'll be journaling about that for an hour tonight"), it'd be a total failure. Still, Hardy was terrifically entertaining, so I guess that's some explanation as to how a freakin' Spider-Man spinoff without Spider-Man was able to beat Justice League at the worldwide box office. :p

    C+
     
  20. Mage

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    Saw this on Netflix a week or so ago. Stupid entertaining, great popcorn flick. Will watch again.