Vedek Yassim's Suicide in 'Rocks And Shoals'
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It affected me by how lame it was for not actually showing it. Broke my immersion in the show, and greatly deflated any emotional impact it might otherwise have had.
To truly be effective to me I'd have to see her dangling, on-screen. Not the cop-out version of that which they ended up filming which only shows her feet, and only for like two seconds.
To truly be effective to me I'd have to see her dangling, on-screen. Not the cop-out version of that which they ended up filming which only shows her feet, and only for like two seconds.
I did not want to see it all... I thought the feet, and Kira's face said it all- we know she went through it, it was clear why she ended her life, so afterwards, it was the impact I was looking for. I was glad it had a reaction, not all those "bad things" that happen in ST where its all forgotten two seconds later.
I think it's a powerful moment and I always hold my breath when it comes up.
^ Agreed, and it was a harsh lesson for Kira. You can't collaborate in the deaths of millions. It's a shame that it took Damar so long to get the message.
That scene really shocked me when I saw it. Very powerful moment.
I agree...that was definitely a "less is more" moment, and it was very, very powerful as it was.
Had they shown everything, I think that would've degraded it to a shock-value stunt instead of focusing on the reactions and what that would mean for Kira. And yes, she needed the wake-up call. I mean, she was playing "proud aunt" to Ziyal IN DUKAT'S QUARTERS! Sitting there on the couch next to him doting over those pictures!
I mean, she could've easily asked Ziyal to bring that stuff over to HER place if she was interested.
But good grief...her sitting there even halfway enjoying herself with DUKAT!
I agree...that was definitely a "less is more" moment, and it was very, very powerful as it was.
Had they shown everything, I think that would've degraded it to a shock-value stunt instead of focusing on the reactions and what that would mean for Kira. And yes, she needed the wake-up call. I mean, she was playing "proud aunt" to Ziyal IN DUKAT'S QUARTERS! Sitting there on the couch next to him doting over those pictures!
I mean, she could've easily asked Ziyal to bring that stuff over to HER place if she was interested.
But good grief...her sitting there even halfway enjoying herself with DUKAT!
In music some say it's the notes you don't play that make a song good, the same can be said for films, the scene was done with both impact and tact, while at the same time leaving no doubt of the effect on Kira and others who witnessed her suicide, it was one of the more powerful scenes on Trek.
In a way it reminded me of Kai Opaka's death/life in "Battle Lines" I believe that she would have remained on that prison moon, even if she did have a chance to leave, she was that kind of a person...
Agreed.
I found the scene very moving. Kira is my favorite Trek character and this scene moved the character, and moved me as a result. I've never thought of the scene out of the context of the episode itself, but I thought it was powerfully done therein.
I found the scene moving, and just fine the way it was.
Suicide was overdoing it, methinks. But it served its purpose, so....
Actually...I think they drew on historic precedent in our own world, especially the incidents where Buddhist monks lit themselves on fire in Vietnam to protest what was going on there. Different political situations, yes, but the outcome is very similar.
I didn't mean to say the writers overdid it. It was an overreaction from the Vedek. Realistic, probably, but I'm not sure I approve, personally. The scene was pretty disturbing, though, I agree. I was pretty shocked when I saw it for the first time.
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