Spoilers V'Draysh

[Blooded]

I haven’t watched Calypso in a few months, but didn’t the computer say that Discovery had been alone in that location for a thousand years, since being told to stay put by the crew? As far as I can remember, it’s never stated that it was 1000 years post-DIS S1 and S2. For all we know, it could be 4200 or something, in Calypso.

Right now, I don’t think there’s any continuity issues, between the two? Also, I don’t think Kurtzman would be keen to raise questions about the canon-status of Short Treks so soon into its run, which would inevitably happen if this particular tale becomes non-canon.

For the past 18 months, I’ve always just assumed that whenever Discovery ends, they hide the ship and tell it to stay put so that no one can access the sphere data.

 

[JoeZhang]

I'm seeing three possibilities at this point:

1. The Discovery in "Calypso" is from an Alternate Reality.
2. Discovery spent 1,000 years in some sort of time-bubble where time moves faster inside than outside.
3. "Calypso" takes place either after DSC or after what will be most of DSC. Maybe there's a second time-jump before the Series Finale?

4. It's a fake-out - it is simply a trick because they want to follow craft somewhere and they are all onboard out of site.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Then how do you explain Zora?

 

[Lord Garth]

^ Then how do you explain Zora?

He's just messing around.

Though it would've been a nice way to troll the audience... and Craft.

 

[JoeZhang]

^ Then how do you explain Zora?

What is there to explain? It's just one of the crew doing the voice. They need to build trust with him but he's been at war with the V'draysh for years and would react to a Starfleet officer.

There are a few of them left on the ship for the scam and a few more on Book's cloaked ship nearby...

 

[XCV330]

that would really fuck up a beautiful story

 

[JoeZhang]

that would really fuck up a beautiful story

I agree - I remember an article with one of the show's producers that it was never actually intended to fit with the ongoing narrative and was never intended to be followed-up on - however I guess they decided to wrap elements of the ideas into Season 3.

 

[Timo]

...As always happens to obscure bits of Trek, sooner or later. And whether the rest, beyond those elements of ideas, is supposed to be part of that package is left for the audience to decide.

I just fear the day they seamlessly integrate "The Girl Who Made The Stars" into the 32nd century plotline. And have Dot save Jim Kirk's life.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fireproof78]

Sometimes a story is just a story and doesn't mean anything in the larger narrative.

 

[DigificWriter]

I feel pretty positive - based on my familiarity with DSC and how it relates to what I've read about "Calypso" - that 1) Such Sweet Sorrow P1/P2 were written before Calypso and 2) Calypso's events take place centuries after the events of DSC Season 3.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Posted it already in the Federation HQ thread, but this also belongs to this one. It's a theory someone posted on Reddit:

"It seems that the big reveal will be that the Federation headquarters has moved to Qo’noS. Secondarily, I think this is likely because of the Klingons’ conspicuous absence after almost two seasons of dominating the story line. Primarily, however, this is because of the Pidgin word for Federation: “V’draysh” (DSC S03E01, “That Hope is You: Part I”).

Assuming the Empire joined the Federation at some point between the 25th and 30th centuries, it’s reasonable to expect tlhIngan Hol (the Klingon Language) to have become a second interstellar lingua franca. This could have led to the Pidgin that Book referenced in DSC S03E01.

In which case, it’s entirely reasonable that “Federation” may have been treated as a proper noun and rendered in the orthography of tlhIngan Hol rather than translated to its Klingon equivalent, “DIvI’.” In which case, “Federation” would be rendered as /veDIreySon/. However, tlhIngan Hol tends towards shorter words, so we can reasonably expect the unaccented sounds /e/, /I/, and /on/ to disappear. That leaves us with /vDreyS/, which sounds almost exactly like “V’draysh.” "

https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn..._discovery_people_of_earth_reaction/?sort=new

 

[NCC-73515]

I thought of Qo'noS as well. Would also explain why Okrand is part of it, and federazhon is Klingonaase (the original Klingon from novels before Okrand made a new official language) for Federation.

 

[Futureisbright]

Posted it already in the Federation HQ thread, but this also belongs to this one. It's a theory someone posted on Reddit:

"It seems that the big reveal will be that the Federation headquarters has moved to Qo’noS. Secondarily, I think this is likely because of the Klingons’ conspicuous absence after almost two seasons of dominating the story line. Primarily, however, this is because of the Pidgin word for Federation: “V’draysh” (DSC S03E01, “That Hope is You: Part I”).

Assuming the Empire joined the Federation at some point between the 25th and 30th centuries, it’s reasonable to expect tlhIngan Hol (the Klingon Language) to have become a second interstellar lingua franca. This could have led to the Pidgin that Book referenced in DSC S03E01.

In which case, it’s entirely reasonable that “Federation” may have been treated as a proper noun and rendered in the orthography of tlhIngan Hol rather than translated to its Klingon equivalent, “DIvI’.” In which case, “Federation” would be rendered as /veDIreySon/. However, tlhIngan Hol tends towards shorter words, so we can reasonably expect the unaccented sounds /e/, /I/, and /on/ to disappear. That leaves us with /vDreyS/, which sounds almost exactly like “V’draysh.” "

https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn..._discovery_people_of_earth_reaction/?sort=new

Does this mean that the federation was taken over by the Klingons, who were eventually brought into it somehow, and the burn was deliberately done to destroy the human part of the galaxy and cripple it.

this leaves federation space derelict, with no real recollection of what really happened and makes the v’draysh a warlike group of conquerors.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why would the Klingons have anything to do with the Burn? Their ships run on dilithium just like Federation ships do. The Burn would cripple both equally.

 

[Phoenix219]

Posted it already in the Federation HQ thread, but this also belongs to this one. It's a theory someone posted on Reddit:

"It seems that the big reveal will be that the Federation headquarters has moved to Qo’noS. Secondarily, I think this is likely because of the Klingons’ conspicuous absence after almost two seasons of dominating the story line. Primarily, however, this is because of the Pidgin word for Federation: “V’draysh” (DSC S03E01, “That Hope is You: Part I”).

Assuming the Empire joined the Federation at some point between the 25th and 30th centuries, it’s reasonable to expect tlhIngan Hol (the Klingon Language) to have become a second interstellar lingua franca. This could have led to the Pidgin that Book referenced in DSC S03E01.

In which case, it’s entirely reasonable that “Federation” may have been treated as a proper noun and rendered in the orthography of tlhIngan Hol rather than translated to its Klingon equivalent, “DIvI’.” In which case, “Federation” would be rendered as /veDIreySon/. However, tlhIngan Hol tends towards shorter words, so we can reasonably expect the unaccented sounds /e/, /I/, and /on/ to disappear. That leaves us with /vDreyS/, which sounds almost exactly like “V’draysh.”.

What did Book say? I've seen the episode but must have missed the reference...

 

[Futureisbright]

Why would the Klingons have anything to do with the Burn? Their ships run on dilithium just like Federation ships do. The Burn would cripple both equally.

If the burn was deliberate, you could shield yourself from its effects, then proceed as the new federation.

 

[Timo]

In which case we probably would be seeing this new Federation. So far, we haven't heard of either a substitute interstellar power of any sort, or of Klingons specifically. Perhaps their shields failed?

It might yet turn out that the Andorian-Orion bunch is the current top dog organization, or that there is none, or that there is one but it hasn't been discussed yet in the first three eps. Funny how nothing about the Klingons has been brought up, though, since fear and hatred of Klingons is the one thing fresh in the minds of the heroes and supposedly the bit the most anachronistic to their new timeframe, right after the "UFP is forever" thing.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Unimatrix Q]

What did Book say? I've seen the episode but must have missed the reference...

It happened in "Far From Home", not in "That Hope Is You, Part 1" . Maybe a mix-up

 

[Timo]

Also, it wasn't Book there - he's not even in the episode.

Perhaps we're supposed to think Booker and Cosmo initially trade words half in this pidgin, although it rather sounds as if Cosmo is intended to be speaking flat-out Betelgeusian there. Or then the whole reference is a screw-up.

Timo Saloniemi