Spoilers V'Draysh

[Yistaan]

about a 1,200+ year old cartoon from Earth.

It could just be a misinterpretation by Craft's society about the Federation. The following isn't Star Trek, but a similar situation came from a 1990s sci-fi video game franchise, Wing Commander, in regards to Earth's enemies the Kilrathi:

Bugs Bunny is a great Terran hero, or so the Kilrathi believe. The Kilrathi psychological warfare department picked up some old Earth television signals that had been travelling at the speed of light for centuries and managed to tune in to cartoons.

Believing Bugs Bunny to be a great Terran folk hero, the Kilrathi devised a number of taunts based around the cartoon character.

 

[Cap'n Calhoun]

I'm still suspecting that "Calypso" was written well before anyone knew what Season 3 was really going to be. So, the "V'draysh" notwithstanding, they may have no idea how to reconcile the two.

I mean, how many times has DSC changed showrunners between now and then? Who knows what kind of plot threads may have been abandoned.

^ This. Don't get me wrong—I generally like Disco—but if I used logic and established facts (even just from Discovery itself and ignoring external canon) to sort out what was going to happen next I'd have ruled out a lot of their plot developments. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they remembered "900 years in the future" but forgot they said "Discovery was abandoned for 900 years".

Hoping I'm underestimating them, but I'm not going to put a lot of brain power into untangling it until they do.

 

[Noname Given]

^ This. Don't get me wrong—I generally like Disco—but if I used logic and established facts (even just from Discovery itself and ignoring external canon) to sort out what was going to happen next I'd have ruled out a lot of their plot developments. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they remembered "900 years in the future" but forgot they said "Discovery was abandoned for 900 years".

Hoping I'm underestimating them, but I'm not going to put a lot of brain power into untangling it until they do.

Could be from an alternate timeline; or it could be that they're not going to reference that aspect at all and just take elements from it. Nobody ever said 'Calypso' was going to be tied to Discovery season 3; even if they used aspects of it as a jumping off point to come up with the story they're going to tell for season 3.

For all we know maybe that's a story that actually takes place in the 41st century after Burnham and Co. restore the Federation.

How did the pod get 52,000 media files, one of which was Betty Boop? From the USS Discovery of the 23rd century after it traveled forward to the 32nd century.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm seeing three possibilities at this point:

1. The Discovery in "Calypso" is from an Alternate Reality.
2. Discovery spent 1,000 years in some sort of time-bubble where time moves faster inside than outside.
3. "Calypso" takes place either after DSC or after what will be most of DSC. Maybe there's a second time-jump before the Series Finale?

 

[DigificWriter]

Here's a writing slash filming timeline for DSC Season 2, "Calypso, and DSC Season 3 just so we can put to bed the notion that there was any haphazardness in terms of writing as far as Calypso's relationship to DSC itself goes:
* December 2017: Writing on DSC Season 2 begins
* November 8 2018: The " Calypso" Short Trek is released, and DSC Season 2 proceeds into its final month of filming
* February 2019: Writing on DSC Season 3 begins

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, I like to think happy thoughts about the galaxy far, far away. It centers me.

And where's my Jedi series? I'm already tired of these bounty hunters and Mandalorians and stuff.


Yeah, that's true.

But it could only be one of two things though: the Red Angel and time travel in some form or fashion, or season 2 was going to be something completely different and they did a total rewrite.

The writers, or producer I don't remember said they didn't have a plan for Season 2. The Cliff hangar at the end of Season 1 was almost last minute.

 

[yenny]

I'm seeing three possibilities at this point:

1. The Discovery in "Calypso" is from an Alternate Reality.
2. Discovery spent 1,000 years in some sort of time-bubble where time moves faster inside than outside.
3. "Calypso" takes place either after DSC or after what will be most of DSC. Maybe there's a second time-jump before the Series Finale?

Calypso happen 70 years after Burnham arrived in the 32nd century, but she didn't in that time line. This time around she did arrived in the 32nd century 70 years earlier. She will either set thing right. If not, the new United Federation Of Planets she help created will fight against the V'draysh. That might happen sooner then they think.

 

[DigificWriter]

The writers, or producer I don't remember said they didn't have a plan for Season 2. The Cliff hangar at the end of Season 1 was almost last minute.

This comment has already been proven to be inaccurate.

 

[Midquest]

Here's a writing slash filming timeline for DSC Season 2, "Calypso, and DSC Season 3 just so we can put to bed the notion that there was any haphazardness in terms of writing as far as Calypso's relationship to DSC itself goes:
* December 2017: Writing on DSC Season 2 begins
* November 8 2018: The " Calypso" Short Trek is released, and DSC Season 2 proceeds into its final month of filming
* February 2019: Writing on DSC Season 3 begins

Just to add some detail here, it seems unlikely that Chabon wrote his piece as part of a firm preexisting plan for the season three, but possible (even likely) that the writers wrote season three to connect with Chabon's story. In this article, Chabon makes clear that he chose the timespan, for instance. On the other hand, he wrote this piece from an idea by Sean Cochrane, who is writing the fifth episode this season.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The point I was trying to illustrate is that Such Sweet Sorrow Parts 1 and 2 were written before Calypso was.

 

[eschaton]

^ The point I was trying to illustrate is that Such Sweet Sorrow Parts 1 and 2 were written before Calypso was.

You have no way of knowing that. There are a lot of variables related to how production works out that we don't find out about until decades after the fact, if ever. You seem to always be biased in favor of thinking there's some huge master plan, when in fact we know from past Trek series often these things are seat of pants.

Regardless, here's an interview with Chabon where he outright says the 1,000 years in the future thing in Calypso was his idea:

“It wasn’t a big discussion,” he said. “I had more apprehension about it. I was worried there might be a big discussion, and I worried it would be a tough sell. I tried it, you know, I think initially in some form of an early draft I did it having been a thousand years. And then, without having got any flack or anything from anybody, just with my own sort of apprehensions [I thought], ‘O.K., this is crazy. I can’t… Can I do that? Maybe I can’t do that.’ And I tried to shorten it. But it just didn’t work, and it almost raised even more questions to shorten the time than having it be a whole millennium that’s passed.”

Besides, for the writer there was an even more important reason to set the story so far in the future.

“To me, it just felt so powerfully poignant just to say that [Zora’s] been alone for a thousand years,” he continued. “So much more powerful than to say I’ve been alone for 92 months, or I’ve been alone for even 10 years. I wanted it to be such an incredibly long period of time that obviously there’s absolutely no hope that the crew is ever coming back. That you would feel that.”

This strongly suggests to me - unless you think Chabon lied - that he came up with the idea first, and they later fit the nearly 1,000 year time jump into Discovery's second season finale. Which would make sense, because my impression has always been the original plan for Season 2 was pulped once Berg/Harberts were fired (possibly for contractual reasons).

 

[The Wormhole]

The Romulans could had stole control for their on use. Having plans later to reinsert it back into the Federation sometime in the future that is too their liking.

Why would the Romulans do that? In Picard we learn the Romulans are so fearful of AI they gladly obliterated a fleet that was supposed to aid in the evacuation effort of their homeworld just because it was being constructed by AI. If Control did survive events of Disco's season 2 finale and the Romulans somehow got hold of it, they would eradicated it with extreme prejudice.

 

[yenny]

Why would the Romulans do that? In Picard we learn the Romulans are so fearful of AI they gladly obliterated a fleet that was supposed to aid in the evacuation effort of their homeworld just because it was being constructed by AI. If Control did survive events of Disco's season 2 finale and the Romulans somehow got hold of it, they would eradicated it with extreme prejudice.

The Romulans are afraid of androids, not a software program. Control was a software program that was created by section 31 and starfleet.

 

[The Wormhole]

The Romulans are afraid of androids, not a software program. Control was a software program that was created by section 31 and starfleet.

No, it's computers too. When Laris is first explaining the Romulan phobia of AI and the role of the Zhat Vash to Picard in the first episode, she even notes that's the reason Romulan computers remain very simple and rudimentary.

 

[yenny]

No, it's computers too. When Laris is first explaining the Romulan phobia of AI and the role of the Zhat Vash to Picard in the first episode, she even notes that's the reason Romulan computers remain very simple and rudimentary.

True, base on every episode that feature Romulans, they don't have AI software on their computers. Control in the mid 23rd century wasn't a AI, it was a software programs.

 

[Noname Given]

The Romulans are afraid of androids, not a software program. Control was a software program that was created by section 31 and starfleet.

^^^
No. The Romulan aides to Picard specifically stated Romulan computers a designed without an AI interface <--- The Romulans are fearful of AI in any form.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole V'draysh thing is Craft.

Obviously, to him, the V'draysh are the enemy. So it just begs the question, WHY?

Craft seems like a decent enough guy. If his people are fighting the V'draysh, they probably have a good reason. And for my OWN good reasons, I hate the thought of the Federation becoming evil. That, to me, defeats the whole POINT of the Federation.

So I can't say I like where they're going with this, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

That said...

Spoiler: Calypso

Obviously, "Calypso" takes place a thousand MORE years in the future, because in it, the Discovery has been abandoned for that long without a crew - which is obviously not the case in the 32nd century. I guess a lot can happen in that intervening time. I just hope it's nothing too apocalyptic...

I don't really see a problem.

So there are at least some calling themselves the Federation who other people such as Craft (who seemed like a good guy) would want to fight. That doesn't mean the Federation in general is bad or that the ideals the the Federation stands for have turned bad.

It could just mean that there is some faction (possibly Federation people) who are bad but still calling themselves the Federation, maybe because of the cachet that goes with the name. We've seen less-than-honorable Federation people several times on past Star Treks.

If the Federation is fractured, I expect there to be groups that are not following the ideals of the Federation. But from what we know about Sahil, it seems that the ideals the Federation still stands for are honorable and just.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Could be from an alternate timeline; or it could be that they're not going to reference that aspect at all and just take elements from it. Nobody ever said 'Calypso' was going to be tied to Discovery season 3; even if they used aspects of it as a jumping off point to come up with the story they're going to tell for season 3.

For all we know maybe that's a story that actually takes place in the 41st century after Burnham and Co. restore the Federation.

How did the pod get 52,000 media files, one of which was Betty Boop? From the USS Discovery of the 23rd century after it traveled forward to the 32nd century.

The pod already had the files. It's mentioned that the V'draysh collect ancient earth cultural artifacts

 

[yenny]

^^^
No. The Romulans aides to Picard specifically stated Romulan computers a designed without an AI interface <--- The Romulans are fearful of AI in any form.

So the Romulans don't have any spies at all. The computers they use are equal to the computers of 1980s on Earth, where you have to put in a tape to run the program. In that case, it would be easy for enemy spies of the Romulans to steal from them.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Of course, I'm also one of those people who believe that George Lucas had it all planned out from the beginning.

I recall an early interview when Lucas said that the nine episodes were vaguely plotted out but that R2D2 and C3PO were to be the only characters to appear in all nine. The first three were not going to be the early years of Darth Vader. That maybe we would see Annikin Skywalker born as the ominous conclusion of Chapter 3.