Spoilers V'Draysh

[Isaac Lawrence]

I find that hard to believe

Yeah, I like to think happy thoughts about the galaxy far, far away. It centers me.

And where's my Jedi series? I'm already tired of these bounty hunters and Mandalorians and stuff.

Not really.

When the Enterprise first appears in the S1 cliffhanger, there's no indication of what's going on or what it's doing there. There is a distress call, implying that something is wrong, but they never say WHY. We never find out about the Red Angel (whichever version) until next season.

Yeah, that's true.

But it could only be one of two things though: the Red Angel and time travel in some form or fashion, or season 2 was going to be something completely different and they did a total rewrite.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Also, is there a "good" faction and an "evil" faction of the Federation out there roaming the galaxy?

I think we're gonna see multiple splinter groups. For example, the people in episode 3 when the crew visit Earth are dressed very differently to the Starfleet woman we see later on. One group wears Discovery-ish blues, the other has a onesie with TNG shoulders and textured grey.

The DS9 Millennium novels did something similar with Starfleet after the Grigari (who really need a live-action adaptation) lay waste to the quadrant. One faction thinks the ends justify the means, the other doesn't.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, I like to think happy thoughts about the galaxy far, far away. It centers me.

And where's my Jedi series? I'm already tired of these bounty hunters and Mandalorians and stuff.

I mean, there's a book series

But, agree. The Mandalorian is rather passé' and I tire of it by the first episode.

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe Craft is fighting against the V'Draysh because the V'Draysh are trying to forcibly remove Craft's people from their planet as the Federation is seen to occasionally do in TNG and Insurrection.

 

[eschaton]

Craft seems like a decent enough guy. If his people are fighting the V'draysh, they probably have a good reason.

As I said in the other thread, this is a silly take. Within known Trek history there were plenty of decent people who fought for the Maquis.

Also, good people fight for "the bad guys" all the time in reality. We don't get to see it much in stories because Hollywood likes simplistic, dualistic stories. But as far back as the Iliad, we've seen good/heroic characters on both sides of warfare.

 

[eschaton]

Anyway, going back to Calypso, the following things were established:

• Craft was a human settled on a mostly non-human world, with little to no experience with human culture (didn't know what Tuesday was, for example).
• The V'Draysh shuttle had a Betty Boop cartoon on its display, which Craft was unable to change, since he didn't understand the controls - strongly suggesting the V'Draysh has lots of experience with human culture.

In the last episode, Zareh outright calls Saru a "V'Draysh" captain - after he identified himself as being the captain of a Federation ship.

Ergo, V'Draysh is just the "pidgin" word for Federation (which was apparently Craft's own mother tongue). There is no difference between the V'Draysh and the Federation. And it is predominantly human culturally.

 

[yenny]

Control is still around and is likely the V'draysh. The control that was in Leland was from the future. The control that was started in the 23rd century is still around.
Section 31 was around in the 24th century, even though they were abolish probably in 23rd century. Likely still around in the 32nd century.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Control is still around and is likely the V'draysh. The control that was in Leland was from the future. The control that was started in the 23rd century is still around.
Section 31 was around in the 24th century, even though they were abolish probably in 23rd century. Likely still around in the 32nd century.

*Consuela from family guy voice* No, no

The control in Leland wasn't from the future. Its evident from dialogue. Control itself says that it is not fully sentient yet.

Kurtzman has said control is dead.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

I mean, there's a book series

But, agree. The Mandalorian is rather passé' and I tire of it by the first episode.

That is one of the most baffling things to me. Here's this massive Jedi story, but you're not going to make TV shows or movies with it. No, you're just going to do books and comics? Really? This is the way...?

What in the world are they doing over there?

Anyway, going back to Calypso, the following things were established:

• Craft was a human settled on a mostly non-human world, with little to no experience with human culture (didn't know what Tuesday was, for example).
• The V'Draysh shuttle had a Betty Boop cartoon on its display, which Craft was unable to change, since he didn't understand the controls - strongly suggesting the V'Draysh has lots of experience with human culture.

In the last episode, Zareh outright calls Saru a "V'Draysh" captain - after he identified himself as being the captain of a Federation ship.

Ergo, V'Draysh is just the "pidgin" word for Federation (which was apparently Craft's own mother tongue). There is no difference between the V'Draysh and the Federation. And it is predominantly human culturally.

The Betty Boop cartoon came back into focus for me after the first episode this season and Book talking about hoping Burnham won't bore him with talk about the good 'ol days.

And that is a Star Trek troupe. I guess Burnham has Alice In Wonderland. Riker had Jazz. Sisko had baseball. Paris had B science-fiction serials. So yeah, Betty Boop would be a Federation thing through and through.

 

[fireproof78]

What in the world are they doing over there?

Taking the wrong lessons from the films.

 

[yenny]

*Consuela from family guy voice* No, no

The control in Leland wasn't from the future. Its evident from dialogue. Control itself says that it is not fully sentient yet.

Kurtzman has said control is dead.

Kurtman works for a entertainment corporation, they don't basically tell the truth, when it involve a project they're working on.
Control in Leland was from the future, it came back with that probe that attacked Captain Pike and Lieutenant Ash Taylor shuttle.
Even though Starfleet shut down control, doesn't means it dead. The Romulans could had stole control for their on use. Having plans later to reinsert it back into the Federation sometime in the future that is too their liking.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Kurtman works for a entertainment corporation, they don't basically tell the truth, when it involve a project they're working on.
Control in Leland was from the future, it came back with that probe that attacked Captain Pike and Lieutenant Ash Taylor shuttle.
Even though Starfleet shut down control, doesn't means it dead. The Romulans could had stole control for their on use. Having plans later to reinsert it back into the Federation sometime in the future that is too their liking.

No it didn't come back with the probe. Control was already active and operating on its own and killing people. The whole reason it needed the sphere data was because it contained information on A.I to gain sentience. At no point does control say that it is from the future, or operating to ensure its future existence. Whatever came with the probe and took over Airiam was never identified, but control used it to take over airiam when she boarded section 31 headquarters. Also the probe was from only 500 years into the future, it wasn't from the 32nd century.

There is literally no reason for kurtzman and other showrunners to lie about control still being active, given how negative the fan reaction to it was.

 

[NCC-73515]

Airiam was redeyed before they got to 31 HQ, so the initial infection came from the squid probe

 

[yenny]

Airiam was redeyed before they got to 31 HQ, so the initial infection came from the squid probe

Which was from the future, effected Leland and others section 31 officers.

 

[eschaton]

The Betty Boop cartoon came back into focus for me after the first episode this season and Book talking about hoping Burnham won't bore him with talk about the good 'ol days.

And that is a Star Trek troupe. I guess Burnham has Alice In Wonderland. Riker had Jazz. Sisko had baseball. Paris had B science-fiction serials. So yeah, Betty Boop would be a Federation thing through and through.

Craft explicitly says this:

The V'draysh, they prize things like that, relics from the long ago.

No one who isn't human would give a shit about a 1,200+ year old cartoon from Earth.

 

[yenny]

Craft explicitly says this:



No one who isn't human would give a shit about a 1,200+ year old cartoon from Earth.

If the escape pod Craft was on is Federation? Why one cartoon? Why not a whole catalogs cartoon and live shows, as well from none human worlds.
That escape pod most have been broken.

 

[eschaton]

If the escape pod Craft was on is Federation? Why one cartoon? Why not a whole catalogs cartoon and live shows, as well from none human worlds.
That escape pod most have been broken.

The escape pod had 542,000 media files. Craft watched Betty Boop 811 times because he couldn't figure out how to turn it off.

 

[XCV330]

The escape pod had 542,000 media files. Craft watched Betty Boop 811 times because he couldn't figure out how to turn it off.

he was lucky. the other 541,199 were Tellarite fan films

 

[Search4]

he was lucky. the other 541,199 were Tellarite fan films

I thought it was the Axanar movie - might be finished by then.

 

[Muji]

I thought it was the Axanar movie - might be finished by then.

Lucky he missed it.