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Vanguard talk w/Mack, Ward, Dilmore, & Palmieri on The Chronic Rift

KRAD

Keith R.A. DeCandido
Admiral
The latest episode of The Chronic Rift podcast is a special spotlight that features a roundtable among David Mack, Dayton Ward, Kevin Dilmore, and Marco Palmieri to discuss Star Trek: Vanguard in the wake of the release of the final volume in the series, Dave's Storming Heaven. They answer a bunch of fan questions (including several from regulars on this here BBS), and give a lot of behind-the-scenes info.

The Rift is available on iTunes, through the Rift web site, or from the Rift's Mevio page. You can comment on the Rift site, via e-mail to john at chronicrift dot com, or by phone at 888-866-9010.
 
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I'd like to publicly thank The Chronic Rift again for generously hosting the podcast for us.

In other related news, my April 17, 2012, 90-minute audio interview with Timewarp and Nydra at TrekRadio.net is now available via the Trek Radio On Demand page. We discussed not only Star Trek Vanguard but also my recent Mirror Universe novel Rise Like Lions, my upcoming trilogy Cold Equations, and the writing life in general.

PLUS! COMING UP ON MONDAY, APRIL 23 from 3PM–5PM, I will be back on TrekRadio.net with a very special presentation: The Music of Star Trek Vanguard. I will be sharing not only commentary but also complete musical tracks that were either mentioned in the text of the novels or that inspired specific events, characters, and the master arc of the series itself. This promises to be a unique glimpse into both my creative process and the backstory of the saga.
 
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Just listened to the podcast.

Dave, I'm glad you felt Ganz changed as the story progressed and wish his story could have unravelled differently. I agree with you that Ganz was a powerful character in the series, not just a Jabba the Hut character. I enjoyed the smart and controlled crime lord. I especially liked the covert meeting Reyes and Ganz had in "Reap the Whirlwind" where they cut a deal for Ganz to help in rescuing the Sagittarius. After this, I found his lack of control toward Reyes on the Omari-Ekon strange. I though Ganz would have found a way to try to use Reyes. When Reyes appeared on the Ekon, I expected Reyes to begin working for/with Ganz but still hold a moral compass and only do work that met his code of conduct.

I also couldn't tell that you had difficulty understanding and relating to Desai. I thought she was well developed, sexy, and her story could not have been improved upon.

If you were not a fan of writing Jetanien, why continue writing his story on Nimbus III after he left the central Vanguard plot?

Why was the XO, Cooper, not developed more? I wanted to submit that question. It was strange to have a Trek story where the first officer had barely any role to play. Was he intended to never have much of a role? I felt kind of let down that I never got to know him. Perhpas you could discuss this in a later interview.

The funniest part in the podcast was when it was being discussed if Vanguard was HBO Star Trek and someone mentioned how Vanguard "showed more boobies." I ROFLed at that one.

I love my consolation prize! Although it seems to be more like a first place prize since the reward was the same as that of the "contestant" who had his question asked. I feel honored and will treasure my signed Vanguard set, especially since I had only downloaded the series to my Kindle.
 
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Just listened to the podcast.

Dave, I'm glad you felt Ganz changed as the story progressed and wish his story could have unravelled differently. I agree with you that Ganz was a powerful character in the series, not just a Jabba the Hut character. I enjoyed the smart and controlled crime lord. I especially liked the covert meeting Reyes and Ganz had in "Reap the Whirlwind" where they cut a deal for Ganz to help in rescuing the Sagittarius. After this, I found his lack of control toward Reyes on the Omari-Ekon strange. I though Ganz would have found a way to try to use Reyes. When Reyes appeared on the Ekon, I expected Reyes to begin working for/with Ganz but still hold a moral compass and only do work that met his code of conduct.
I'd have to agree. If we had it all to do over again, I think we might take a completely different approach to the resolution of the Reyes/Ganz story arc in books 5–7.

I also couldn't tell that you had difficulty understanding and relating to Desai. I thought she was well developed, sexy, and her story could not have been improved upon.
Glad to hear it.

If you were not a fan of writing Jetanien, why continue writing his story on Nimbus III after he left the central Vanguard plot?
Well, I don't think the issue was that any of us were not "fans" of Jetanien. I liked the Chelon windbag, even if I found him sometimes perplexing as a viewpoint character.

Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore made the decision in Open Secrets to link Jetanien to the founding of the Nimbus III colony, partly to give the old turtle something to do after the abject failure of the diplomatic mission on Starbase 47 in Reap the Whirlwind and because the timing of the colony's founding serendipitously lined up with that point in the saga's continuity.

We chose to continue developing the storyline on Nimbus III in Precipice, What Judgments Come, and Storming Heaven because it served the broader arc of the saga, which was to show that things in the original series era were not always as they seemed. While the public story about Nimbus III is that it was yet another high-profile failure, one that seemed to sink the career of Jetanien, it actually served as the cornerstone of a new back channel between the Federation and its two chief rivals in local space, providing a much-needed clandestine "pressure valve" to keep diplomacy alive even when official channels closed. In that respect, Jetanien's efforts on Nimbus III and his work with Lugok helped set the stage for a future peace with the Klingon Empire in the mid-24th century, and might yet prove to be the seed of a new peace with the Romulan Star Empire.

This was all part and parcel of one of Vanguard's most significant themes, the unsung victory. Is it more important to be seen as a winner, or to achieve a long-term goal behind the scenes while being the public target of scorn? How does one measure success?

Why was the XO, Cooper, not developed more? I wanted to submit that question. It was strange to have a Trek story where the first officer had barely any role to play. Was he intended to never have much of a role? I felt kind of let down that I never got to know him. Perhpas you could discuss this in a later interview.
As we have said before in other interviews, and as we noted even in the series bible, one of the creative decisions we made to distinguish Vanguard from other Star Trek series was to shift the emphasis onto character types other than those normally seen.

Instead of a starship captain as the central figure, we wanted a commodore with oversight responsibility for several ships, thousands of personnel, and an entire sector of potentially hostile space; instead of a first officer, we wanted a JAG officer in the spotlight; instead of a security chief as a principal character, we wanted a military intelligence officer; then we added civilians to the mix — a diplomat, a reporter, a soldier-of-fortune, and a crime lord.

Put simply, the character of Commander Jon Cooper was never meant to be more than a supporting player, a solid and reliable officer who keeps the station running even though he's not directly in the loop about much of the station's most secret operations.

The funniest part in the podcast was when it was being discussed if Vanguard was HBO Star Trek and someone mentioned how Vanguard "showed more boobies." I ROFLed at that one.
Yeah, Kevin was a riot during this show. He had us all cracking up several times throughout the hour-long show. People often say Dayton is the funniest of the Vanguardians, but Kevin really gave him a run for his money this time. :)

I love my consolation prize! Although it seems to be more like a first place prize since the reward was the same as that of the "contestant" who had his question asked. I feel honored and will treasure my signed Vanguard set, especially since I had only downloaded the series to my Kindle.
Well, I'm glad you like it. :)
 
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Was Kevin the one that said Dayton has probably said 75% of the things Reyes said in anger? That was so funny. I would love to hear a dramatic reading of angry Reyes performed by Dayton Ward.

I would also love to hear David Mack performing drunken Quinn. However, you must perform the scenes in a drunken state yourself, though NOT while having your ass kicked.
 
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A really fascinating roundtable discussion! And mostly spoiler-free, which is impressive.

David, I have a question I meant to submit for the discussion but forgot:

What influence, if any, did current events have on the writing of the Vanguard series? The end of Reap the Whirlwind, for instance, is strongly evocative of the WikiLeaks/Julian Assange debates that broke out about three years after the book was published; were the events of the past ten years influences on the series and on the direction it took?
 
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Was Kevin the one that said Dayton has probably said 75% of the things Reyes said in anger? That was so funny. I would love to hear a dramatic reading of angry Reyes performed by Dayton Ward.
Yup, that was another of Kevin's brilliant bon mots. I've heard Dayton angry; when it's directed at someone else, it's funny as hell. When it's directed at you, not so much.

I would also love to hear David Mack performing drunken Quinn. However, you must perform the scenes in a drunken state yourself, though NOT while having your ass kicked.
I'll try to remember to bring a digital recorder with me on my upcoming trip to visit Dayton and Kevin in Kansas City. ;)

A really fascinating roundtable discussion! And mostly spoiler-free, which is impressive.
All part of the service.

David, I have a question I meant to submit for the discussion but forgot:

What influence, if any, did current events have on the writing of the Vanguard series? The end of Reap the Whirlwind, for instance, is strongly evocative of the WikiLeaks/Julian Assange debates that broke out about three years after the book was published; were the events of the past ten years influences on the series and on the direction it took?
The influence of "current" events on the saga ended with its first book, Harbinger. The Pennington story arc regarding the Bombay story in that novel was based on the 2004 CBS News/Dan Rather fiasco when his story about GWB going AWOL from the TANG was discredited on technicalities. The essence of his story was correct, but there was strong evidence that he had been set up to fail, to discredit both him and an otherwise factually correct story.

After that, the issues in Vanguard became more generalized. Indubitably, the "civil liberty vs. national security" debate that has been going on over the last decade was deeply influential to the series' tone and story lines.
 
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I would also love to hear David Mack performing drunken Quinn. However, you must perform the scenes in a drunken state yourself, though NOT while having your ass kicked.
I'll try to remember to bring a digital recorder with me on my upcoming trip to visit Dayton and Kevin in Kansas City. ;)

That would be awesome! Plastered David reading a Quinn bar scene.

Then you could get Dayton angered by some political discussion that stirs his ire or having his kids break something in his house. Then hand him a copy of Reyes speaking before his court martial and say, "Quick. Read this!"

That could be the beginnings of a wonderful evening.

Speaking of which, i think I need to hit up one the local micro breweries I haven't tried yet. Seattle is known for the coffee but it should be known for the beer.
 
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Dave, I'm glad you felt Ganz changed as the story progressed and wish his story could have unravelled differently. I agree with you that Ganz was a powerful character in the series, not just a Jabba the Hut character. I enjoyed the smart and controlled crime lord. I especially liked the covert meeting Reyes and Ganz had in "Reap the Whirlwind" where they cut a deal for Ganz to help in rescuing the Sagittarius. After this, I found his lack of control toward Reyes on the Omari-Ekon strange. I though Ganz would have found a way to try to use Reyes. When Reyes appeared on the Ekon, I expected Reyes to begin working for/with Ganz but still hold a moral compass and only do work that met his code of conduct.
I'd have to agree. If we had it all to do over again, I think we might take a completely different approach to the resolution of the Reyes/Ganz story arc in books 5–7.

I have to agree that the wrap up of the Ganz story was the low point of Vanguard for me. Not that it wasn't well written, but when everything else is registering an 11, a plot reading of 8 or 9 sort of falls flat.

I have to say, I was rooting for the Orions and against Starfleet during that part. Having Nogura violate the Orion ship after Ganz had been promised that it would be considered out of bounds just felt rushed to me. Have Reyes turn against him or something but the way it turned out it just felt artificial and rushed. Having Starfleet invade sovereign territory and kill people just stuck in my crew as wrong. They may not have gone in there looking to kill someone but they did and Nogura used that as an excuse. It reminded me of the whole WMD lie about the Iraq War. The whole thing was a set-up and a lie from the people that were supposed to be the good guys. Turning Nogura into GWB, Cheney or Powell just felt wrong.

Don't want to sound like I'm down on the series. far from it. It's been the best Trek fiction we've had in a long, long time. Sometimes a bit too obvious in it's set-up of what is to come but it was executed so flawlessly that I let it pass. At any point I could find myself agreeing or disagreeing with almost any character. Well done all and let's hope that something of similar quality will arrive sometime soon. The time of TOS is ripe with untold stories and there's lots of space (ha!) to tell them that don't directly tie into or include the TOS crew.
 
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Great roundtable discussion - Kudos once again to David, Dayton, Kevin and Marco!:bolian:

Not to sound like a broken record, but listening to the Audio file hammered home the fact that Vanguard was Classic Trek done *right* - for me the darker atmosphere, militaristic overtones and rich textured writing of the plots / characters / settings were just up my alley and I think the bar had been raised pretty damn high :cool:

I wish a similar project could inject the same life and soul into other chapters of the Star Trek tapestry like Pre-TOS (after the ENT-R novels of course) and even a longer glimpse into the vast reaches of the Lost Era.
 
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Was Kevin the one that said Dayton has probably said 75% of the things Reyes said in anger? That was so funny. I would love to hear a dramatic reading of angry Reyes performed by Dayton Ward.

I would also love to hear David Mack performing drunken Quinn. However, you must perform the scenes in a drunken state yourself, though NOT while having your ass kicked.

We need some Vanguard audiobooks.
 
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Awesome podcast Dave, Dayton, Marco, and Kevin:bolian: Very informative and some great insight into Vanguards development. You guys seem to genuinely enjoy each other and working together.

I would like to see more of these podcast's done by trek authors after a book is published. I hope the Cold Equations trilogy gets a David Mack interview on the Rift or Trekradio(Hint, Hint):)

Have any of you done any other podcasts in the past for any of your other books?
 
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^Podcasts like this, where the authors do the podcast themselves are not that common , but the authors are guests on regular podcasts from time to time.

One Trek alumni who does his own podcast about his works is KRAD with his Dead Kitchen Radio, but since this started after his latest Trek book, only one episode is about Trek stuff (Episode 8, which is about the S.C.E. series).

Some podcasts that occasionally feature interviews with trek authors are the mentioned Trek Radio or The G&T show. Your best bet to catch such podcasts is to follow the author's blogs and or other social media outlets, because usually they'll mention such interviews.
 
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^Cool, I'll check out that podcast by KRAD. Thanks for the info Defcon:bolian:

I am thankful to Dave, Keith, and Defcon, for turning me onto the Chronic Rift Podcast site. Interesting/entertaining stuff.
 
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Great roundtable discussion - Kudos once again to David, Dayton, Kevin and Marco!:bolian:

Not to sound like a broken record, but listening to the Audio file hammered home the fact that Vanguard was Classic Trek done *right* - for me the darker atmosphere, militaristic overtones

They said in the podcast that the story wasn't intended to be especially dark or militaristic but it did end up with that feel.

I'm opposed to a dark, militaristic trek because then trek becomes Battlestar Galactica and filled with characters who represent the worst of humanity. I'm all for battles and conflicted characters but trek should be more about exploration than military campaigns, professional, bit not necessarily soldiers. Starfleet is a Navy but it considers its primary charter to be exploration. When Trek stops representing characters and a society more enlightened and less centered on conflict and bloodshed, something for us to aspire to, then I'm done being a fan.
 
Re: Vanguard talk w/Mack, Ward, Dilmore, & Palmieri on The Chronic Rif

Great roundtable discussion - Kudos once again to David, Dayton, Kevin and Marco!:bolian:

Not to sound like a broken record, but listening to the Audio file hammered home the fact that Vanguard was Classic Trek done *right* - for me the darker atmosphere, militaristic overtones

They said in the podcast that the story wasn't intended to be especially dark or militaristic but it did end up with that feel.

I'm opposed to a dark, militaristic trek because then trek becomes Battlestar Galactica and filled with characters who represent the worst of humanity.

Except that's not what happened with Vanguard. Yes, many of these characters are dark, but they're on voyages of redemption. They don't represent the worst of humanity.

I'm all for battles and conflicted characters but trek should be more about exploration than military campaigns,

I for one see no reason why this particular Star Trek series cannot focus on the astropolitical, military side of things even while the majority of Star Trek novels focus on other themes such as exploration. Star Trek is about many things, not just one or the other.

professional, bit not necessarily soldiers. Starfleet is a Navy but it considers its primary charter to be exploration. When Trek stops representing characters and a society more enlightened and less centered on conflict and bloodshed, something for us to aspire to, then I'm done being a fan.

David Mack has said that part of the point of Vanguard was to show how the Federation became the somewhat nobler society it was in the 24th Century than it had been during the TOS era.
 
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Sweet, I'm gonna have to check this out.
 
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I really enjoyed the podcast. The discussion about not pressing the reset button with Reyes was really interesting because it made me think about Dayton Ward's choices regarding Diego Reyes as compared with Jasminder Choudhury as it relates to the differences between the 23rd and 24th century that were described.

Reyes had to face the end of his career because of the choice he made as it related to his duty. In Paths of Disharmony, Chouhdhury allows herself to be manipulated into abandoning her escort which allows the hijacking of the Enterprise and does not face any consequences beyond her conscience....I always thought she should have been keelhauled for that (which would be pretty serious on a Sovereign class ship).

And one more thing; regarding Dayton's linticular poster...it was a schooner, not a sailboat: http://www.trailertheater.com/video.php?id=dTh4VTY3RWpzWjQ=&title=mallrats-there-is-no-easter-bunny :techman:.
 
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A really fascinating roundtable discussion! And mostly spoiler-free, which is impressive.
All part of the service.

David, I have a question I meant to submit for the discussion but forgot:

What influence, if any, did current events have on the writing of the Vanguard series? The end of Reap the Whirlwind, for instance, is strongly evocative of the WikiLeaks/Julian Assange debates that broke out about three years after the book was published; were the events of the past ten years influences on the series and on the direction it took?
The influence of "current" events on the saga ended with its first book, Harbinger. The Pennington story arc regarding the Bombay story in that novel was based on the 2004 CBS News/Dan Rather fiasco when his story about GWB going AWOL from the TANG was discredited on technicalities. The essence of his story was correct, but there was strong evidence that he had been set up to fail, to discredit both him and an otherwise factually correct story.

After that, the issues in Vanguard became more generalized. Indubitably, the "civil liberty vs. national security" debate that has been going on over the last decade was deeply influential to the series' tone and story lines.

David, I forgot to thank you for taking the time to answer that question. I've been curious about it since reading Reap the Whirlwind five years ago and wondering how much of it was inspired by the War on Terror. Thanks!
 
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This was a great podcast; and thanks to Kevin for the shout-out!
 
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