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Vanguard: Reap the Whirlwind

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fleetcaptain said:
You know I was surprised at the ending of the book. I was not suspecting what happened either.
I will call that a success, then. ;)

I just hope everything continues in the next book.
From my conversations with Dayton and Kevin, I think you'll be seeing most of the major stories continued -- and a few new twists added to the mix. :)
 
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JWolf said:
I'll be starting RtW sometime this weekend.


Me too, though I naturally flipped through to the Acknowledgments page. De nada, David.
 
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I'm on page 150 -- at least for me, one of the BEST things about RTW is that I got to reread Harbringer and Thunder. As ST fiction goes, this is some of the best I've read in a long time -- I love the Dickensian cast, the covers, and mature stories, and the humor. Good Job, Mr. Mack, and well as Mr Dilmore and Mr. Ward. More please!
 
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Just finished Reap the Whirlwind last night (or should I say this morning?) after having bought it on my way back from work yesterday afternoon. The fact that I couldn't put it down might give you some clues... Thank heavens I've got a day off today...

SPOILERS FROM HERE ON!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! I AM TOO LAZY TO INCLUDE SPOILER CODE!!!

Vanguard for me has always been the series that has the broadest scope of all the series. With a cast from one space station, three Starfleet ships and an assorted bunch of alien dignitaries and civilians (with or without dignity) it can show so many angles to the story that it might become overwhelming. Yet, even with four stories now in the series, I haven't encountered that problem yet. I think Mr. Mack used the array of characters very well, focusing on those that helped tell the story best but also not forgetting the others and giving them each something to contribute. I very much liked the insight into the Shedai as a people and, as a result of that, the better understanding of the Tholians' mindset. Woven in with the larger story is a true origin story for the Assembly and I welcomed that. Like the Breen, the Tholians have been refered to so often as a major player in galactic politics, but Vanguard has succeeded in displaying true complexity for them. In that aspect, I liked the decision made by the commander of the Tholian vessel in the end of the story.

As for the Gamma Tauri storyline, I think it worked well. The position of Reyes' ex-wife as the leader of the colonists seemed contrived to me at first, but looking back I can see its logic. With billions of people in the Federation alone, the fact that she of all people got put in harm's way could have been a flat plot mechanic to cause emotional trouble for Reyes, but I can see how someone with her talents might have appealed to the colonists as a leader. Having someone who knows one of the key people in the sector inside and out is of course a huge advantage. That none of it mattered in the end makes the fate of the colony all the more tragic, yet I think having Starfleet not save the day for once made a welcome change.

The Sagittarius mission was a nice insight into the workings of Starfleet's pathfinders. While I agree with the posters above who felt Terrell's predestined survival hurt his part of the story and that Xiong's part felt drawn out, I liked the crew very much. Most got some time in the spotlight, and it was good to see that even the smaller ships in Starfleet have crews capable of handling the tough assignments. The inclusion of Quinn and Pennington surprised me in this part of the story, but it worked well and paved the way for a IMHO deserved redemption for both characters. Likewise, I appreciated that someone had to pay the piper in the end. Reyes' and T'Prynn's fall from grace seemed quite logical and I think sends a message that Starfleet shouldn't use cloak and dagger games as its primary defense. The strategy of putting civilians in harm's way to cover up their own work galled me from the start, and I think given what happened Starfleet got of light.

Finally, kudos to Mr. Mack for the scene of the malfunctioning Klingon ship. Loved the humor in that, with the captain unaware of a part of his ship's "life support" system until he was knee-deep in it. Koloth got of well the time Scotty stuffed his ship full of Tribbles compared to this!

Thanx to David Mack for another great addition to my collection - I felt I owed you this one given my somewhat less positive review of Warpath. It seems like act 1 is finished for the series now. I for one can't wait to see what act 2 will bring us.
 
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Thanks for your detailed comments, Tirius. I'm glad you enjoyed Reap the Whirlwind -- but you need not feel like you "owe" me anything when you give a bad review to something I've written. I take the good reviews with the bad; it's all part of the job. :)

Best,
David Mack
 
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So I guess that explains everything about T'Prynn in one of the Mission Gamma series books, which I don't remember which one right now is.
 
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fleetcaptain said:
So I guess that explains everything about T'Prynn in one of the Mission Gamma series books, which I don't remember which one right now is.

Oh, I'd say that it explains next to nothing. I mean, as it stands now, T'Prynn's in a situation where by all means, upon recovery, she should end up being drummed out of Starfleet with a dishonourable discharge and, more than likely, time in the stockades for violations of the Uniform Code.

I really liked that Reyes decided to end some of Starfleet's illegal cloak-and-dagger games. Starfleet may not be perfect, but it seems to me that it's a lot better of an organization than to be intentionally putting civilians in harm's way in the name of national security, and hopefully Reye's blowing the lid on the whole deal is the first step in redeeming Starfleet for its decisions in the Taurus Reach.
 
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I may be reading all the posts, or most of them anyway, but the minor spoilers in most of them just make me want to read the book even more. I still have a couple of weeks or so before I read it, but it will be the first one I read of the three that I ordered.
 
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Is this a minor spoiler post? I did not read the one up above, having not finished the book.
 
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Ronald Held said:
Is this a minor spoiler post? I did not read the one up above, having not finished the book.
I didn't read the review either, but I've read all the other posts, can't wait for the book.

I'm getting Ships of the Line to drool over first though.
 
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Look at the cracking on the spine of my copy:



That there is the mark of a book that's been everywhere with me and been read whenever I get a spare moment- which are few and far between :lol: Have to say RTW has been a really good read.
 
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David Mack said:
...I'm glad you enjoyed Reap the Whirlwind -- but you need not feel like you "owe" me anything when you give a bad review to something I've written. I take the good reviews with the bad; it's all part of the job. :)
Well, I'm just odd that way. :rolleyes:

As for the people above you did not read my review due to possible spoilers, I'd suggest finishing reading the book first. I tend to keep most spoilers as cryptic as possible, but there are a few important ones in there nonetheless.
 
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I just finished
Theriault's little history lesson with The Apostate
and all I have to say is, wow. Not only was it really cool to read about, but it also answered a lot of questions that have been around since the first book. Very nice work, David!
 
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I'm very impressed with this book. It's the best in the series so far. It seemed a little slow to start but once it got going the action was non-stop until the end.

I loved the connection between the Jinoteur wave and the Genesis Project. Reading the Vanguard series, I had been wondering why all these amazing events hadn't had an impact on the filmed world of Trek. But now I see how it ties in and I have to say, it's brilliant.

The redemption of Pennington was a scene I've been waiting for. I was depressed after his life was crushed in the first book and it's great to see him getting back on his feet. Quinn had an awesome moment too, when he says that he's not a hero because no one ever asked him to be one.

Another excellent moment was when the Endeavor begins bombarding Gamma Tauri IV. I loved how they hailed the Klingons to say what they were going to do and the Klingons basically said "Ok, we'll start on this side."

The Klingon sewer backup was priceless. Best sabotage ever.

The only thing that bugged me was T'Prynn's vision at the end where she's fighting with Sten but still wearing her uniform. I guess it's that whole residual self identity thing but it would be nice to see the crew able to escape their uniforms when they're not on duty. (Lt. Theriault in particular begs for a leather miniskirt!)

Excellent book and I'm anxiously looking forward to the next one!
 
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^ Thanks for your comments, DWMarch. I'm glad you enjoyed the book.

As for T'Prynn's residual self-image, I felt that her uniform was the most appropriate choice for her because, up to that point, it was "for the uniform" (Starfleet, the Federation, duty, etc.) that she had made so many sacrifices and done so many questionable things. At least, that's what she had been telling herself....

My only other nitpick is that Theriault is an ensign...but after her accomplishments in RtW, I think it won't be long before she's promoted. As for the leather miniskirt? Let me see, I pictured Alyson Hannigan as Theriault ... Alyson Hannigan in a leather miniskirt ... yes, that works for me. :)
 
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Yeah, the sewage system backup on the Klingon ship was great. Although you gotta feelkinda sorry for all the poor people they tortured afterwards.
 
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David Mack said:
As for the leather miniskirt? Let me see, I pictured Alyson Hannigan as Theriault ... Alyson Hannigan in a leather miniskirt ... yes, that works for me. :)

Well, at one point in the city on Jinoteur, you referred to her being in a blue minidress (i.e. standard Starfleet science uniform, I assume), which puzzled me a bit, since you'd said earlier that all the Sag crew wore green jumpsuits.
 
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