Vader's birth/Padme's death in light of Rise of Skywalker (spoilers for TROS))

[Qonundrum]

Bey

Only if his first name is "Richard' and he has his own early-1990s talk show. I wouldn't mind vying for Mr. Puniverse... but I'd better see that show first instead of punting, is he referring to hideous puns or being puny (not punny, unless that's what he meant).

 

[JRoss]

Richard Bey. To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, that's a name I haven't heard in a loooong time.

Speaking of Obi-Wan, in the very first scene in which the Force is revealed to the audience, Obi-Wan uses it to heal Luke from his injuries. The first use of Force powers is when he mimics the call of a krayt dragon.

So Force healing can't be this revolutionary thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Richard Bey. To quote Obi-Wan Kenobi, that's a name I haven't heard in a loooong time.

Speaking of Obi-Wan, in the very first scene in which the Force is revealed to the audience, Obi-Wan uses it to heal Luke from his injuries. The first use of Force powers is when he mimics the call of a krayt dragon.

So Force healing can't be this revolutionary thing.

Most of the Force powers that pop up in the ST are not revolutionary at all.

 

[The Wormhole]

confirming its existence also supports the old fan-theory that when Obi-Wan feels Luke's forehead after he's knocked out by the Sand People, he's giving him a little Force pick-me-up and not just taking his temperature),

Doesn't Palpatine also similarly touch Anakin in the lava pit on Mustafar? Which led to many speculating that he was using the Force to make sure Anakin would survive long enough to make it to surgery.

(I still would've had her live and pretend to be Bail's nanny or something so the RotJ line would make sense, but this read helps.)

Man the problem with the ROTJ line now is that Luke is the one Padme spends more time with. Granted it's a few seconds at most, but damn, Leia must have damn good memory, far better than Luke's, or Luke really just wasn't paying attention. Understandable, I guess, given how he was quite literally a newborn at the time.

 

[Xerxes82]

Man the problem with the ROTJ line now is that Luke is the one Padme spends more time with. Granted it's a few seconds at most, but damn, Leia must have damn good memory, far better than Luke's, or Luke really just wasn't paying attention. Understandable, I guess, given how he was quite literally a newborn at the time.

I don't agree with this, or that the ROTJ line is a problem. In a universe where Force ghosts and disembodied voices are a thing, I don't have any problem justifying Leia's memories as Force impressions that she experienced well after Padme died. She recalls them as memories because that's the framework she had to work under as a child, not understanding the Force or how it could work.

For a related comparison, though not precisely the same thing, check Cal Kestis in the new Jedi Fallen Order video game. He has the Force related power to experience events from the past by touching objects that have absorbed Force impressions from their owners/users. Just assume something similar for Leia in regards to her mother and the ROTJ line works perfectly as is, and even acts to further tie her to the Force and her Skywalker heritage.

 

[fireproof78]

No, I don't feel like that fits.

 

[JD]

I think the best way to do it would have been to at least have Padme live long enough to be the one who gave Luke and Leia to the Lars and the Organas.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't agree with this, or that the ROTJ line is a problem. In a universe where Force ghosts and disembodied voices are a thing, I don't have any problem justifying Leia's memories as Force impressions that she experienced well after Padme died. She recalls them as memories because that's the framework she had to work under as a child, not understanding the Force or how it could work.

For a related comparison, though not precisely the same thing, check Cal Kestis in the new Jedi Fallen Order video game. He has the Force related power to experience events from the past by touching objects that have absorbed Force impressions from their owners/users. Just assume something similar for Leia in regards to her mother and the ROTJ line works perfectly as is, and even acts to further tie her to the Force and her Skywalker heritage.

It's still weird Leia has better memories of her mother when it was in fact Luke who spent slightly more time with her than Leia did.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's still weird Leia has better memories of her mother when it was in fact Luke who spent slightly more time with her than Leia did.

It really isn't.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Doesn't Palpatine also similarly touch Anakin in the lava pit on Mustafar? Which led to many speculating that he was using the Force to make sure Anakin would survive long enough to make it to surgery.

I think there's always been a healing property of the Force. In addition to the things pointed out already, Luke takes a massive beating in TESB, yet he seems to survive. Heck, the link between the Force and "lifeforce" has always been an underlying theme ("It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us.").

If you're not chopped in half, the Force can pull you through (and even then, it seems you can make it).

 

[BillJ]

It's still weird Leia has better memories of her mother when it was in fact Luke who spent slightly more time with her than Leia did.

It was clear Luke was a stoner. Really, there was little else to do on Tatooine other than partake in the local herbs.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

It was clear Luke was a stoner. Really, there was little else to do on Tatooine other than partake in the local herbs.

The guy's name is literally "Skywalker" -- it's pretty obvious what he did day to day.... The only way to make it more obvious is to name him Luke Bongtoker.

 

[Claudia]

Like the theory of Vader draining Padme's life-force... it does make sense in the way the whole sequence is shown...

... but wouldn't he feel the twins in that moment as well (if Palpatine did the draining, why didn't *he* feel the twins? He wasn't out of his mind by pain at that moment...)

But couldn't it be that Padme sort of sustained the children with her life-force at the latest from the moment Anakin attacked her onwards. If we're semi-realistic, Padme was choked, her baby bump on Mustafar definitely didn't point to a pregnancy that's close to the birth date (earlier in the movie her babybump was more obvious - but no way someone 38weeks pregnant with twins actually runs around like Padme does off the ship on Mustafar) , especially not for a twin birth. So maybe she just used up her energy to alleviate damage to the babies due to the lack of oxygen and get the babies ready to be born (and/or the children latched on to her energy)... and she simply had none left for herself. At least, that's my head-canon. *g*

 

[fireproof78]

It's still weird Leia has better memories of her mother when it was in fact Luke who spent slightly more time with her than Leia did.

Not only that, but her line about "Somehow, I've always known." It makes very little sense with their interaction in ESB.

 

[Campe]

It was clear Luke was a stoner. Really, there was little else to do on Tatooine other than partake in the local herbs.

“Power Converters” was actually just a really mellow strain.

Not only that, but her line about "Somehow, I've always known." It makes very little sense with their interaction in ESB.

The retcon is strong in ROTJ. Or ya know, Leia had been experimenting with some of Luke’s Power Converters.

 

[suarezguy]

the sequence is cut in a way that has always been interesting, and offered my headspace an opportunity to justify the action. The entire sequence cuts back and forth between Padme and Vader, as he is rescued from Mustafar and placed into the familiar life support suit. And I always thought it would be interesting if Vader had unconsciously connected to Padme and was unintentionally draining of her of the Force to keep himself alive in his ruined state.

I read about that theory before and thought it was a definitely plausible idea before the new movie came out. Not clear but very arguably implied by RotS. And it does make an interesting idea that Anakin really did kill Padme, Palpatine was actually telling the truth but unknowingly, an alternate idea is that Palpatine drained her and really misled Anakin (but that might make him too powerful).

The real-world reason Padme died as she did seems to be just that Lucas felt that her being killed would be too extreme, her just leaving with Leia and dying offscreen too underwhelming and that abandoning both her children felt less-bad than just giving up Luke.

 

[BillJ]

The real-world reason Padme died as she did seems to be just that Lucas felt that her being killed would be too extreme, her just leaving with Leia and dying offscreen too underwhelming and that abandoning both her children felt less-bad than just giving up Luke.

I don't know? You could've had a kick ass movie about a bounty hunter taking down all the prequel characters. Saving Jar-Jar for last!

 

[JD]

Not only that, but her line about "Somehow, I've always known." It makes very little sense with their interaction in ESB.

Thanks to Disney+, I was finally able to see the OT deleted and extended scenes, and the earlier version of their interactions after he gets out of the bacta tank would have made things even worse.