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V: "Hearts and Minds" 5/4/10 - Grading & Discussion

Grading

  • Excellent

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Above average

    Votes: 10 55.6%
  • Average

    Votes: 6 33.3%
  • Below average

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Poor

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    18

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Erica, Ryan, Father Jack and Hobbes learn that Anna sent a V shuttle filled with a deadly V tracker team to find them and they must figure out how to stop it from landing. Anna gives Tyler his invitation to the Live Aboard Program and Chad confronts Father Jack on what he knows about The Fifth Column.
 
I voted "Above Average."

This episode was quite an improvement to the series overall and it's the first time so far that I've wanted to see more after it was over. Everyone did a great job.

I'd love to see how Lisa's gonna get out of this one. She already told Tyler she didn't want to see him anymore and now Anna expects her to get him back. She's so screwed. :D

I knew Malik was a V from the minute I saw her the first time. I hope Erica watches her back. I'm also glad to see that it wasn't Kendrick that deleted the bone evidence and that he might be a good guy. He could really help Erica if they can get on the same page.

The big mystery is Chad Decker ... no way I can tell what side he's on. He's great.
 
So two BSG alum are/were lizards, a third is a sympathizer and we don't know about the fourth yet. Speaking of which, the previews for this episode showed Hobbes taking the V sympathizer out into the woods to dig his own grave and be executed, but it wasn't in the episode.
 
So two BSG alum are/were lizards, a third is a sympathizer and we don't know about the fourth yet. Speaking of which, the previews for this episode showed Hobbes taking the V sympathizer out into the woods to dig his own grave and be executed, but it wasn't in the episode.

That happened in the final scene of last week's episode.
 
A better episode than most. The pacing was generally clip and it finally engaged with the broader media issues that have been lacking. And Lisa's arc is actually an interesting one, growing to rebellion instead of starting that way as the other Fifth Column characters are, and having to negotiate her allegiances alone, without the support network of other rebels. But it really dipped at the end. For one thing, it bugs me that we didn't find out--and I don't recall anybody even asking--why the Vs had all these human remains on-hand, and whether it had anything to do with the experiments conducted on the Live Aboard folk. I hope it will get taken up in later episodes, but just letting such a big question sit there unchallenged bugs me. Turns out Rekha Sharma isn't human--real original, guys. And Tyler... that little bitch drags down every scene he's in. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like he'll be written out anytime soon. (And man, Anna continues to impress with how utterly cold she is.)

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I am really suprised. First we get a great episode of Stargate Universe. Then we get a good episode of V. This episode in my opinion was better then all of them put together. I actually gave a shit about Tyler this episode. When he cried in his mothers arms I felt a bit of a connection (note I've never cried on my mums arms about a girl. I have a pillow for that :rommie:).


They need to keep this up.
 
Anna is creepy as hell... b/c you never know if she's happy or cross at you. "Good job my daughter...ok, break her legs." :eek:
 
That was pretty good. If every episode was like this, that would be awesome. The first few moments of the episode where Jack was freaking out made me want to cry, and I was really excited when Erica found the evidence that absolved them of killing humans, then I winced when it disappeared (even though I realized what was about to happen before it happened). So for once, this show made me FEEL something. Good job, show! I could really have done without the boxing scene, though. Awwwwkward. (And Hobbes is the most annoying, chatty terrorist ever.)

Lisa's storyline is actually getting really compelling. I care about her. I don't know what she sees in Tyler, but I like that she's trying to protect him. And now Anna is going to have her thugs beat the crap out Lisa while Lisa must pretend not to care about any of it? (Of course, I do wonder if Anna is on to Lisa, in which case I wonder why she doesn't just kill her and be done with it, but I guess this is why I watch, to find these things out.)

Ryan continues to be an ass. He's a V, right? Is Anna the only V who knows why they are on Earth? Ryan has endless information about the ships, the tech, the biology ... but he only gives it away when necessary and he doesn't know WHY they came all this way to invade? I'm confused. Why has he not sat them all down and infodumped yet?

Oh, and ... whose side are you on, Chad Decker? I hope they don't drag it out too long before revealing his allegiance (or at least hinting at it) ... but Scott Wolf is playing the part really well.

I'll give this one an Above Average. (I even considered giving it an Excellent, but unfortunately, I think there are just too many structural problems with this show for it to rise to that level.)
 
Average.

I think the problem I have with this show is that I keep having to look the show up on Wikipedia to remember what most of the character's names are.
 
Much better plot than usual:

Fifth Column learns that the Vs are sending down a shuttle with "trackers" and decides to blow the shuttle up, Father Jack learns that Chad Decker regularly rides on V shuttles and warns him, Anna learns of the Fifth Column's plans through Chad and decides to use this as an opportunity to set the resistance up, Fifth Column blows up a shuttle with human civilians instead of "trackers".

It's worthy of debate though whether the writers chickened out by ultimately revealing that the "victims" of the shuttle attack had already been dead and that the Fifth Column hadn't actually killed anyone. Still, it's a win for the Visitors because the Fifth Column is now hunted as a terrorist group by every law enforcement agency in the world. Ah, yeah, and we got some awesome acting by Joel Gretsch out of it.

In other news, this episode also featured a pretty lame twist by revealing that Tory Foster is a Cylon. Ah yes, and then there was some lesbian BDSM involving Anna and Lisa in the end. :p
 
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Wasn't Tory Foster revealed to be a Cylon in a previous episode? I have a vague recollection of seeing her revealed as a sleeper.
 
A good episode compared to the rest of V's episodes, but the show still suffers from the perpetual stupidity of the main characters.

They need to address what Ryan and Joshua know about the V's plans and motives, and they need to show the human members of the resistance actually asking those questions.

So long as those questions are never even mentioned our heroes just look idiotic.
 
I would really like this show to return, but I won't be angry or upset if it doesn't.

I can see ABC giving it another 13 episodes to try and build upon. The show was hurt by airing after Lost. No one watches the show that airs after Lost. They go and discuss Lost instead.
 
Naw, that isn't true at all. V gained something like a 0.3 in the Demo this week compared to last week, because it had a new Lost episode as a lead in this week.
 
Kudos to Anna to finally starting to use her noggin and subvert any possibility of the Fifth Column winning a PR war - though she shouldn't have had to wait for inspiration from them. She could have fabricated that scenario all on her own, with a shuttle of V's and humans (best that way) and some of her own people posing as Fifth Columnists to shoot it down.

Let the authorities capture one or two surviving terrorists, so they can foam at the mouth on worldwide TV how much they hate the dirty aliens, etc, and generally sound unappealing and horrible. Then have them manage to commit suicide before anyone gets too inquisitive about them medically. Let the popular imagination believe these "suicides" were the work of more evil Fifth Columnists, because the police and defense apparatuses are riddled with them. Make humans feel guilty about the bigotry and violence of the Fifth Columnists, and feel ashamed that humanity's first encounter with lovely, blameless aliens has taken such a nasty turn.

In short, it's stupid-easy for Anna to win any PR war, which is why that io9 column we debated last week was way off the mark. PR is Anna's strength. As long as she's using it even semi-effectively, Erica's team has no hope.

What Erica needs to do is start thinking a bit harder about the oddity that not only are there Fifth Columnists who are V's, but they seem to be running the show, and have been running the show for years. Far from being a scary monolithic force, the V's seem very prone to rebellion against Anna. Erica should be striving to understand this much better. What motivates Ryan and Joshua? How can she replicate that phenomenon to undermine Anna's power base right under her nose?

Erica should leave the public PR war to Anna and concentrate on attacking Anna's weak point - that her minions are willing to turn against her because of some reason. I guess that reason is the allure of human emotion, and as dopey and sappy as that may be, that's the logic of the show and we have to accept it. Erica hasn't figured that out yet, much less devised ways to spread its influence, but she should.

But enough about tactics, there's a bigger issue here, that this show has displayed a very troublesome fatal flaw: GUTLESSNESS! Why exactly would Anna put human corpses on that shuttle when she could send some live humans to their doom and reap the PR benefit of weeping families on TV, cursing the evil, bigoted Fifth Column?

Because the writers don't want to make Erica and the gang look bad. Feh! There's an interesting idea that Father Jack wanted to save one life - Chad's - and thereby ended dozens of lives. And if the writers had let the scenario play out honestly, that's exactly what should have happened. It's nice to try to save lives in wartime, but naive to think you always have the power to do so.

In war, the only way to guarantee that you will keep the moral high ground is to withdraw from the battle altogether. Then people who don't care about the moral high ground will take over, and the results will certainly be worse than if you had the guts to stay in the fight. So that method of keeping the moral high ground is a self-indulgent sham. In reality, there's no way to hang onto the moral high ground, the world being what it is, regardless of whether you fight or not, so isn't it better to make the best of a bad thing and tough it out? Or if you withdraw, fine, but don't pretend it makes you any better than the flawed people who do choose to tough it out.

But this show isn't interested in addressing any issues that will make the audience uncomfortable. Instead, it's going to take a shallow, mindless approach - good Erica vs bad Anna and their respective teams, blowing shit up real good. This is Stargate all over again. :rommie:

And Tyler... that little bitch drags down every scene he's in.
He is way too old to go crying to mommy. The writers need to make him a villain, asap! It's the only thing that will salvage his role in this show. He just damn unwatchable now.

Ryan continues to be an ass. He's a V, right? Is Anna the only V who knows why they are on Earth? Ryan has endless information about the ships, the tech, the biology ... but he only gives it away when necessary and he doesn't know WHY they came all this way to invade? I'm confused. Why has he not sat them all down and infodumped yet?
Why hasn't Erica insisted on it? Forget the ships and the tech - Ryan and Joshua's mindset and motives are the real key to victory.

No one watches the show that airs after Lost. They go and discuss Lost instead.
Not after this week's Lost! :eek: Even if V were as good as Lost, I couldn't have watched anything after that.

V gained something like a 0.3 in the Demo this week compared to last week, because it had a new Lost episode as a lead in this week.
That's not all that much compared with expectations for a strong show helping a weak one that follows it, but it's good for V if Lost isn't responsible for much of its ratings because next season, it's going to have to make it on its own. The suits will take into consideration whether V has its own fanbase now. Since the ratings are stable, it seems to have just enough to survive. As disgruntled as I may be with this show, there isn't much on TV with actual spaceships and aliens. I hope it gets another saeson.
 
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Average.

The show just isn't grabbing me.. I was going to stick it out until the finale but the road there has been choppy and unsatisfying. If by some chance the finale is a game-changer then the writers have made it a struggle to get there. But if it holds out some hope up of a shake-up and the show is renewed, I might check back next season but I don't see wasting my time on a series(that I already feel like I've wasted too much time on) where the characters aren't interesting, the plotlines aren't that riveting, the aliens aren't that intriguing, and the subject matter isn't all that fresh.

It's really too bad that just when shows like LOST or season one of Heroes were giving sf/f and heavily serialized dramas a good reputation to the point where networks were willing to greenlight more of them we get shows like V, Flash Forward, Caprica, post season one Heroes that are going to now make them more hesitant to go with the genre given the way they've tanked.

I honestly feel V could work as a series it just isn't being creatively handled the right way and I doubt it ever will given that there have been two different showrunners and neither one seems to have figured it out.
 
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