USS Titan 3D pic????
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I remember having a number of discussions in the past with those that watched Trek that Riker would be a good captain to have on the small screen - I do hope that the the owners of the franchise give a Titan series considerable consideration because if it's done right, it could not only be popular with fans but for them a good money maker. Titan Designer's ship is an interesting and good looking ship to use if they choose to go ahead.
As would I. Heck, even a mini series would be good to see.
You know, an upswept nacelle design, plus a few more tweaks, would fit in with a concept for a starship I had in mind for a fan fic story that's been bouncing around in my head for the past year or so. Basically, it'd be a tactical-oriented variant of the Luna, designed to protect the Federation's long-range colonies and bases established as the Lunas push out into the frontier. She'd be like a smaller version of the Sovereign with the firepower of the earlier Akira-class. I was thinking of the name "Essex" for her. I'm interested in seeing what Sean turns out.
Cary L. Brown said:
Well, realize that one of the things that the judges for the Titan Contest were so adamant about was that the Titan was NOT a warship in any way. It's a "peace ship." So, all the launchers you see on Sean's ship's mission-module are probe-launchers and have no weapons-firing functionality at all.
I, personally, think that was a DUMB DUMB DUMB position to stake out (not Sean's fault, mind you!) but this was their stated position - the Titan is "Starfleet getting back into peaceful exploration and moving away from militarism."
On the other hand, the whole point of this ship was to "go where no man has gone before" and that's an inherently dangerous proposition. When I did my version, I set it up so that it had the ability to dump a massive burst of firepower and then to run like hell... it would not be a warship, per-se, but it could hit an enemy with enough damage to disable them and allow the ship to get away. This was one of the things that my design got criticized for, in fact... "too militaristic."
So, Sean's ship is a "peace ship" but it would probably be possible to swap out the mission module and strap on a warship-module in its place... again, if a kit ever becomes available, I think it's obvious that would be the first major "upgrade" you'd see most people put on it.
Well, I still like the lower nacelles, and should war break out we'll wip that science pod off and open up those phaser arcs.
Cary L. Brown said:
Well, realize that one of the things that the judges for the Titan Contest were so adamant about was that the Titan was NOT a warship in any way. It's a "peace ship." So, all the launchers you see on Sean's ship's mission-module are probe-launchers and have no weapons-firing functionality at all.
I, personally, think that was a DUMB DUMB DUMB position to stake out (not Sean's fault, mind you!) but this was their stated position - the Titan is "Starfleet getting back into peaceful exploration and moving away from militarism."
On the other hand, the whole point of this ship was to "go where no man has gone before" and that's an inherently dangerous proposition. When I did my version, I set it up so that it had the ability to dump a massive burst of firepower and then to run like hell... it would not be a warship, per-se, but it could hit an enemy with enough damage to disable them and allow the ship to get away. This was one of the things that my design got criticized for, in fact... "too militaristic."
So, Sean's ship is a "peace ship" but it would probably be possible to swap out the mission module and strap on a warship-module in its place... again, if a kit ever becomes available, I think it's obvious that would be the first major "upgrade" you'd see most people put on it.
The module isn't replacable for mission specific purposes?
As for the "Titan" series, it has potential. My primary concern is Deanna Troi. I don't mind Riker in a live-action series, although the last time he appeared on Trek he looked as rough as old boots, but what the heck are the writers going to do with the useless Deanna Troi?
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I haven't said anything so far because I've never been terribly fond of the design, nacelles up, down, or otherwise, partially to do with the concept of the ship itself, and partially design nitpicks (the shape/edge width of the saucer, the catamarans, the nacelles) all of which are pretty repetitive of what others have said.
However, I do agree that imagining the Luna class as the Reliant to the Enterprise-E was brilliant and no doubt what the contest originators had in mind, and therefore prefer the lower-swept nacelles because of that relationship. With the nacelles up, it's essentially a no more than a scaled down Sovereign to me.
And congrats to Sean on having that physical model of his design made. :thumbsup:
However, I do agree that imagining the Luna class as the Reliant to the Enterprise-E was brilliant and no doubt what the contest originators had in mind, and therefore prefer the lower-swept nacelles because of that relationship. With the nacelles up, it's essentially a no more than a scaled down Sovereign to me.
And congrats to Sean on having that physical model of his design made. :thumbsup:
Quick update, It now looks like John Eaves was not available to create the 6ft model
of the Titan, so now it has been passed onto Gene Rizzardi. Hopefully he can get it done
in the Time that they (CBS) has a lotted him.
of the Titan, so now it has been passed onto Gene Rizzardi. Hopefully he can get it done
in the Time that they (CBS) has a lotted him.
Titan Designer I mean WOW! Unbelievable! I love the design! It fits perfectly to the feel of the ship of the series!
Its perfect!
It looks and feels how a ship of Trek should look and feel!
I would love to see this designed be used in film, or a TV series.
Be proud sir, you have created a masterpiece! *applauds*
Congrads again!
Vons
Its perfect!
It looks and feels how a ship of Trek should look and feel!
I would love to see this designed be used in film, or a TV series.
Be proud sir, you have created a masterpiece! *applauds*
Congrads again!
Vons
I just hope that when the whole 3-D design is finished that I'll be able to see it blowing up an enemy ship. This thing looks like a fucking warhorse.
With the upswept nacelles, it looks like it might zip around a lot more. With the downswept nacelles, as in the original design, the thing looks like it could pound its way straight through a Borg cube.
With the upswept nacelles, it looks like it might zip around a lot more. With the downswept nacelles, as in the original design, the thing looks like it could pound its way straight through a Borg cube.
Well, assuming that they're not altering the design we're looking at here, it's trivial (from a design standpoint) to do this. On the other hand, it's a long and tedious MACHINING procedure.
Basically, you break it down into manageable "chunks" and put the computerized surface data into a CAM program, generating tool paths (that is, the real physical paths followed by the cutting tools) off of the CAD surface data. It's then just a matter of putting the material into a fixture (ie, supporting it while it's being cut) and letting the CNC (computer-numerical-control) milling machine cut chips. You end up with a very-close-to-final form (probably requiring some elbow grease to sand away the little ridges between cutter sweep paths).
In the case of a 6' model, you'd basically do the primary hull in two segments (top and bottom), the secondary hull in two segments (left and right or top and bottom, either way would work here), the pylons (probably two parts as well) and the nacelles (two parts each). You'd mill it all out of polycarbonate (the same stuff plastic optics... ie, glasses... are typically made from).
The frame would be simple... three or four 1/8" aluminum plates, welded together, making up the main framework. A couple of "ribs" inside the nacelle pylons. Weld it all up, lay down some low-temp fluorescent tubes inside, then lay the milled polycarbonate pieces on top, gluing the whole thing together around the aluminum structure with epoxy.
A quick final putty-and-sand operation, then a few days with an airbrush, some quick-drying automotive laquers, and some low-tack masking material (probably just a few reams worth of frisket paper) and you're done. Oh, and you'd have had someone simultaneously print up some decals using Illustrator of CorelDraw or whatever, so you'd put them down and put a few dozen coats of heavy automotive "clear coat" on top of it all to protect everything.
If you wanted to do more detail... interior set-lets, flashy-blinky things, etc, you could do those too... but you'd probably need an additional guy for each of those tasks.
My point... making the BIG MODEL itself is pretty straightforward, provided that they have access to a pre-existing solid model to work from (ie, what we're looking at in this thread). Building it up from nothing but views, on the other hand, would take a LOOOONG time. The manufacturing is much more straightforward than the design process.
They are going to be using Ellery's Mesh file for this thank god. I have to get
Gene the files for the decals today so he can get them made.
Gene the files for the decals today so he can get them made.
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Congrats Titan Designer. With any luck, something like this might end up as a real model available for us lowly peons.
BTW, do you think they will go with flourescent or LEDs? It seems to me that the safer bet from a length of bulb life (therefore less having to tear it apart to change out bulbs) would be to use LEDs over flourescents. Not to mention the heat factor and power consumption associated with flourescents versus LEDs. Nothing major. Just a question to satisfy my own interest.
Again, congrats on the design (again) and I hope all goes well with the commissioning of the model! Just watch out for the champagne bottle when it hits the bow!
Here are the Printers Proofs that Simon & schuster sent for my portfolio.
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/Titan2.jpg
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/Titan4.jpg
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/Titan2.jpg
http://hammerheadgraphics.iwarp.com/Titan4.jpg
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