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USS ENTERPRISE HAYNES OWNERS MANUAL (Part 3)

I kinda figured they would do that...keep your eyes peeled for a shuttlecraft and tricorder versions....;)

Both are there already, along with the Enterprise cover.

Jeeze.

Capitalism at it's finest! ;)

BTW...I perused the manual at BAM last weekend....*meh*....as much as I like Trek books as the next guy, I have to agree with the major consensus here: It's OK if it's the only Trek manual you'll ever buy...but, if you pick up any of the older classics and expose yourself to what has been done in the past, you'll immediately see the class that this new book is in (or, not in). :cool:

Definitely a discount shelf search item for me. :techman:

Rob
 
As Warped9 has stated in the past..fans have produced some of the best schematics and technical artwork out there I believe because fans are somewhat aware of what we want to see and enjoy. I think that if Haynes had consulted or maybe done an online poll when they first announced this book for feedback maybe the owner's manual wouldn't be so bad.

The funny thing about that is, that Andy Probert pretty much proved that theory correct... remember how much bad press the 2009 SoTL (or was it the 2010) got, because of the low-poly CGI and pedestrian images? Well remember how Mr. Probert started a thread here on the BBS, asking US what WE would like to see in the future SoTL calendars?

Well, we replied in the thread, and low and behold, this year's 2011 SoTL is pretty awesome, and I'm sure it'll get better.
 
Exatly BolianAuthor, why they didn't bother doing basic Market research is baffling. The 1st port of call should have been Internet forums.
 
Interesting. I finally got mine (hardcover) for Christmas and I cannot find any of the pictures of the SciPubTech cutaways at all like what were originally posted here a couple of weeks ago. In fact, they look nothing like the SPT cutaways. I'm thinking now that there may be different versions of this book floating around out there. The exterior renderings of the ships also seem quite good, IMO, compared to what others complained about in the recent past. Yes, I do agree that this feels like a high-end RPG supplement, but it's still seems to me to be fairly well done. Oh, well. Guess you can't please everyone...
 
I got it for 30% off at Chapters yesterday and it's okay. Wouldn't have purchased it at full price, but am happy with what I got.

You arguably get more background in this book about the Excelsior (E-B Variant) and Ambassador classes than ANY other book before it, and that makes it worth a lot since Exclesiors and Ambassadors are two of my favorite classes of starship.

Mark
 
I've got two copies of FJ's tech manual. The first is an original issue "hardcover" and the second is a more recent Ballantine reissue softcover to refer to when need be.

...I've just gotten an urge to get it off the shelf and browse through it.
My hardback tech manual is signed by Montgomery Scott inside the front cover and James Doohan inside the back cover...:p
 
You know at this point, I'd just be REALLY interested to hear what Mike Okuda has to say on the whole thing... I would really like to know just how much he was involved with it, or if the PTB behind the book just credited him as a consultant, and not much else. I'm just really wondering if this was a situation where the publisher just basically took control of the whole thing, regardless of the advice or input from Okuda, or not.
 
Jimmy must've been in an ornery mood that day...
It was in college, '80 or thereabouts. He was on campus at Iowa State University doing a talk (kind of like Roddenberry did in those days).

After, I met him, shook his hand, and asked him to sign my manual. I actually specifically asked for Scotty's sig in the front and Jimmy's real sig in the back.

It's an awesome piece of memorabilia, and a highlight of my science fiction fandom life...:)
 
You know at this point, I'd just be REALLY interested to hear what Mike Okuda has to say on the whole thing... I would really like to know just how much he was involved with it, or if the PTB behind the book just credited him as a consultant, and not much else. I'm just really wondering if this was a situation where the publisher just basically took control of the whole thing, regardless of the advice or input from Okuda, or not.

Mike Okuda is a professional, so if this was, in fact, the situation, you won't hear him say so in public.
 
Might not even get him to admit it privately. At best, you might get him to let something slip over dinner (assuming one was in a position to have dinner with him).
 
Quick and Dirty Review:

Anyone who's ever owned a car older than a few years and wanted to work on it themself has likely owned a Haynes (or Chilton) repair manual for their car. I've had/have one for every car I've owned/own. (Though, they were really Chilton manuals.)

These manuals offer complete repair instructions for the car they're written for complete with pictures, step-by-step processes and other technical specs. These manuals boast that they're written based on a complete tear-down and rebuild of the car. They're fun just to flip through and to read on how to rebuild your transmission. You likely won't ever do it but it's cool to know you've got the instructions to do it right there.

So when I heard a long time ago that they were doing a Haynes Manual for the Enterprise my interest was piqued the potential for technical geekdom here was infinite. The book disappoints.

It's less "Workshop Manual" that it boasts on the cover and more "RPG Supplement" as noted above. (Though missing the die-roll stats and such.) It's unlikely Scotty or Geordi had one of these laying around their office covered in warp-plasma grease.

Some of the pictures in it or neat cut-aways (in spite of some inaccuracies) but overall it's pretty light on content. It's more of an "Idiot's Guide to all of the Enterprises and some Trek Tech." It tries to, roughly, cover all of the Enterprises from Archer's NX-01 to Picard's -E. (Abrams' Alt-1701 gets little more than a passing mention in an "Alternate Universes" chapter.)

The book is really disappointing and there's little new here and it was very distressing to see the decades old elevation diagrams of the -D's shuttles that were made on a Mac Pro in 1990 for the vastly superior TNG Tech Manual.

The TNG Tech Manual is a nirvana of TrekTech Geekdom the whole book is filled with technobabble and written "in universe" (with the occasional out-of-universe foot notes giving behind-the-scenes info from Okuda and Sternbach) couple it with the 1701-D's blueprints and you've got pretty much everything you know about the ship (despite its contradictions with the series.)

This book offers none of that and it's, in fact, worse than the DS9 tech manual (which I felt watered-down the in-universe tech-stuff too much) which only had the pretty graphics going for it.

This book? Again, reused the TNG Tech Manual's late 80's Auto-CAD drawn shuttle elevation diagrams! That's unacceptable and indefensible. Really. There's no excuse for doing that as opposed to taking a couple hours and making decent looking images of the shuttles. But they'd probably look the same as other crappy low-res pictures of the CGI ships already in the book.

Most of the tech-info is light and covered better in the other tech manuals and even reuses some of the same info (like the transporter cycle timeline/breakdown). Would I say to pass this up? Well. It looks neat and there is some neat stuff in there added in from the movies/shows that've occured since the TNG manual but at the same time it makes you face-palm when it mentions Voyager's breaking the Warp-10 barrier, but also re-affirms the "fan wank" that the Excelsior's "transwarp" engine was a success and lead to the re-drawing of the warpscale that's used in TNG.

The cutaways of the ship are nice-looking but way too scaled down and small to really appreciate the detail in them (esp. on the larger ships like the -C and the -D.) The book is also missing the breakdown schematics/cut-aways of the tricorders and communicators as seen a while back when this book was being leaked out. (One thing that was nice about the DS9 manual was showing the Tricorder and PADD opened up in their maintenance configuration)

This book could've been awesome if it had just taken the original ship (the TOS 1701) and given us a "true" Haynes-style manual to the ship. Something we could see Scotty having sitting in his office, a more complex, complete and "accurate" (with the involvement of the Okudas and Sternbach) version of the "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise) along with the communicator and tricorder diagrams this book could've really been something else. Instead, it's just blah.

I can live with inaccuracies in the diagrams and even in the information but the lack of content in this book is just unacceptable.
 
^Very nice review and pretty much agree with you. @BolianAdmiral yeah it's unlikely that Mike Okuda will give any interviews about the book. I believe he and Denise wrote the forward if I recall. I facebook walled him a few weeks ago and he never responded to my inquiry.
 
^Very nice review and pretty much agree with you. @BolianAdmiral yeah it's unlikely that Mike Okuda will give any interviews about the book. I believe he and Denise wrote the forward if I recall. I facebook walled him a few weeks ago and he never responded to my inquiry.

Yeah the book has a forward written by him and Denise.
 
^

VERY good review, Trekker4747, and I agree with everything you said, although the TNG Tech Manual images were done in Adobe Illustrator, and not on AutoCad, lol.
 
Eh, I knew it was something like that. They're certainly a product of their time either way and do not belong in a book made two friggin' decades later.

:rolleyes:
 
A fair review, but as has been pointed out already, this book isn't aimed at us at all. This is for the folks who want spiffy pictures and glassy explanations without going deep into the treknology we all love. This is for the teenager who's been watching reruns on Spike, or who's been catching up with Trek fiction (also available from Pocket Books!), or who's been gaming away with STO, and wants something to go with that tidy meal. That fan can't find the TNG TM in the average bookstore, and he can't be troubled to dig too deep at the used book shop or for meticulously and not-legally scanned versions online (to say nothing of the sheer volume of fan-produced trek tech sites out there).

And even THEN, the market for pure-geek stuff like this ain't what it used to be. I was helping to produce content for Mojo's "Unseen Frontier" art book at the top of this decade, which was supposed to be an in-universe book of cool starship photos as though they'd been holographed by people standing at a starship's window or looking up into the sky (this project ultimately morphed into the Starship Spotter and the first SOTL calendars). When it was cancelled, it was simply because that sort of book doesn't sell well. Same reason that there was never any Voyager or ENT manual, or even one for the newest movie. They just don't sell well, in this world of online satisfaction and where hundreds of talented fans can download all they need without leaving their homes. Pocket sells fiction enough to justify what it prints (and even then it's a shadow of Trek in the pre-Internet years).

As such, I'm convinced that this is likely the best we'll have for a while, and that the Haynes angle was the "hook" the writers used to pitch the book in the first place. If it were a straightforward tech manual, it wouldn't have been printed. With a Haynes gimmick, it becomes a curiosity and something which casual fans might pick up enough to justify the print run. And as such, it's aimed at the casual (enough) fan who likes the pretty enough pictures and won't know that the shuttlepod graphic is a copy of the Adobe file that's been sitting on a ZIP disk in Mike or Rick's attic for years now. We get flashes of insight and a few neat fake-toids written by the same kinds of fans we are, but nothing as substantial as there used to be because frankly, the cost-benefit ratio of going that deep to sell this sort of book doesn't exist.

Mark
 
A fair review, but as has been pointed out already, this book isn't aimed at us at all. This is for the folks who want spiffy pictures and glassy explanations without going deep into the treknology we all love.

You mean a near non-existent audience. If those 'super-casual' fans want to know a little more about something in Trek, they go to google. It's really only the die-hards that pick up the tech books, and we're fucking picky, else we can just do it ourselves at this point.
 
FWIW?

The awesome TNG Tech Manual can be found on Amazon for $25 for a new copy.

There's even a Kindle version.

I've been considering buying a new one for a while now as the one I've had for nearly 20 years now is pretty well worn.

(Ew! Not like that!)
 
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