Not only should Strange New Worlds Pike be Jeffrey Hunter, let's just go all the way and have Dr. Who regenerate back into William Hartnell via deepfake and keep it that way indefinitely.
Using Deepfake in Trek... Yes or no?
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I see. Thanks.
Would the shows that changed the costumes, sets, every other actor and the ship itself use a deepfaked William Shatner as James T. Kirk at great cost?
Of course not. They'll hire a relative nobody and try to make them into the next James T. Kirk for their Star Trek Universe of shows. Some names have already come up, as did the idea that their Kirk would be bi, although that was probably just empty clickbait.
Of course not. They'll hire a relative nobody and try to make them into the next James T. Kirk for their Star Trek Universe of shows. Some names have already come up, as did the idea that their Kirk would be bi, although that was probably just empty clickbait.
I prefer them to recast but I also prefer the new actors to pay homage to the original performance. I would prefer to see lonely young intellectual Kirk more akin to a stack of books on legs, a bit more like his early season one character. I don't want to see cocky womanising Kirk projected backwards from season three, the movies, the popular myth, and NuTrek.
Number One seems a bit too warm and alluring to me, given her very clear canon personality. I appreciate that her emotionless logic was stolen and bolted onto Spock but I hope Romjin can reign it in a bit and retain some efficient professionalism rather than full on sex pot.
Number One seems a bit too warm and alluring to me, given her very clear canon personality. I appreciate that her emotionless logic was stolen and bolted onto Spock but I hope Romjin can reign it in a bit and retain some efficient professionalism rather than full on sex pot.
Those are some...odd choices in the extremes.
Honestly, given that "The Cage" was featuring the crew after suffering significant loss I don't know how much of any of their personalities can be read as being 100% accurate for their everyday behavior.
One has to use hyperbole to make a point given how unsubtle a lot of the modern Trek has become. ;-p
Even the Talosisn remarked that Number One's detached demeanour was largely a pretence. One could argue that she decided to cast that aside and adopt a friendlier, more sensuous, demeanour but if that were the case I would rather it was a conscious decision written into the character rather than the writers just giving the same name to a new character like they did with Simon Pegg's Scotty. We'll see!
I think modern Trek has become a bit self-indulgent but Anson Mount and Ethan Peck gave us a glimpse of something more reminiscent of the classic era. I guess we'll see if it pays off.
Well, yeah. No one wants much else.
No one? Now who's using hyperbole? ;-p
Always.
not surprising, given that digital recreations have worked very well on recent Star Wars series.
Not that the recasting (more like miscasting!) was the main problem of Solo: that movie was mediocre under every possible account and quite unwatchable (not because it was truly bad, because it was so dark you couldn’t watch much).
Firing the original directors and reshooting practically the whole damn movie, then putting it out right on the heels of TLJ... Maybe it would have been better before, maybe worse, but Kennedy has only herself to blame.
Actually, the head of Disney took the hit on that one, so no, not Kennedy.
The biggest problem with Solo was that it tried to mash every bit of Han Solo lore into one movie.
How he got started
How he met Chewie
How he got the Falcon
How he knew Lando
How he made the Kessel Run
As a result, none of these things were handled particularly well story-wise. The Kessel Run stuff was particularly cringey-bad.
How he got started
How he met Chewie
How he got the Falcon
How he knew Lando
How he made the Kessel Run
As a result, none of these things were handled particularly well story-wise. The Kessel Run stuff was particularly cringey-bad.
And how he got those gold dice that were barely visible in SW77 and were never seen again in the original trilogy, but then made a big comeback in the sequel trilogy.
And.... how he got the name "Solo." Like that merits any attention in a universe with names like "Sky-walker," "Grievous," "Salacious" and "Sleazebaggano."
I know music isn't a big deal to a lot of viewers, but I found the use of very scene-specific musical cues from SW77 and ESB during the Kessel Run to be rather distracting, as those were stylistically different from the rest of the soundtrack and seemed like a contrived way to say "LOOK AT ME, I'M STAR WARS!" as they called back to specific events that wouldn't happen in the chronology until years later and had nothing to do with what was happening in this movie.
But anyway, back to the deepfake stuff... Even after seeing the most recent deepfakery in "The Book of Boba Fett" (no spoilers) I still feel like they are still a ways away from making it really convincing. So I would still rather not see it in Star Trek.
Kor
Yeah, that's taken out of context. Read the entire vanity fair article.
She says something like, recasting has limits, deepfakes have limits, and there's so much story to tell, let's focus on some new characters for a bit, something Mandalorian does very well, and Boba Fett does mostly well.
Personally, as much as I loved the de-aged Mark Hamil on BoBF, as a viewer I would have preferred a total recast with the actor paying homage but not replicating Hamil.
The audio trick was quite nifty.
They had Mark perform the lines, and I think Graham as well, and they basically "de-aged" the voice using older audio as a base.
Hamill didn't record the lines of dialog for the Mandalorian or TBOBF. Young Luke's voice that we heard in these shows was 100% synthesized based on AI analysis of audio from past recordings of Hamill's voice (Source). And the final product is quite bland and lacking in nuance and inflection... especially in BOBF as Luke had much more dialog than the few lines in his brief appearance in the Mando show. This audio technology is still quite a ways off from producing really convincing, warm, natural and emotive vocal delivery.
Kor
Kor
And how he got those gold dice that were barely visible in SW77 and were never seen again in the original trilogy, but then made a big comeback in the sequel trilogy.
And.... how he got the name "Solo." Like that merits any attention in a universe with names like "Sky-walker," "Grievous," "Salacious" and "Sleazebaggano."
Don't forget his blaster.
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