Using Deepfake in Trek... Yes or no?

[Pauln6]

you can use spleeter to remove the music now...Give it a look, the results are amazing. I’ve been using it for a year which huge satisfaction.

Thanks! Looks interesting... I think I will need to psych myself to install another github program though. I'm thick. Plus if I can't get the trainer to work, clean dialogue won't help me much. [Actually some of Grace's dialogue, especially the line from Miri and Big Valley might benefit from that - I had a devil of a time trying to damp down the saloon piano in the latter voice clip!]

Another option is to pay for some dialogue using Shatoetry :-D

 

[publiusr]

It’s all about sampling. She didn’t get many lines sadly. Shatner is easier because he’s been on TV for decades.

Directors have treated actors like meat for years. But everyone treats Andy Serkis well.

If anything, mime may make a comeback due to the rigors of wearing motion capture gear. I see this as noble. Monroe can exist without being badly used.

 

[fireproof78]

Directors have treated actors like meat for years.

But now actors will have no choice, no agency to inform their performance. Even being dead won't stop it.

 

[flandry84]

Lawyers my boy,the world is replete with them.

I know what you are saying and you’re probably right that this trend will become ubiquitous for a while.However nothing lasts very long in Hollywood.Fads and genres come and go very quickly.
Musicals,gangster movies,westerns,teen comedies,80’s action flicks,rat pack,brat pack or frat pack all passé now.Superheroes will too go the way of biblical epics.

 

[publiusr]

Well Hollywood could come up with something...new.

Ha...that’s a laugh

 

[jackoverfull]

Thanks! Looks interesting... I think I will need to psych myself to install another github program though. I'm thick.

You’re not thick, took me quite a while to install it and I’m not updating it until something really interesting comes out (such as guitar recognition, which at the moment seems far in the future). But it was worth it.

Another option is to pay for some dialogue using Shatoetry :-D

didn’t know about this app, sounds fun!

 

[fireproof78]

.Superheroes will too go the way of biblical epics.

Not soon enough.

Also, bring back the biblical epic.

 

[Pauln6]

You’re not thick, took me quite a while to install it and I’m not updating it until something really interesting comes out (such as guitar recognition, which at the moment seems far in the future). But it was worth it.

didn’t know about this app, sounds fun!

The free clips of the app don't fill me with confidence that it will sound convincing but I have a Google Play voucher and at least Shatner endorsed it. I wonder if he gets paid per word? Why we don't have a Majel Barrett version, I don't know.

OMG. If you open Pandora's box, be prepared for the consequences!

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[jackoverfull]

Since they recorded phonemes for majel’s voice a similar app is very possible, but perhaps there isn’t enough interest in doing it at this time? And the fact that since her death they just used other people to record the computers’ voices doesn’t bode well about that recording.

Here it seems shatner recorded words, not phonemes, and that is usually way less convincing (and much easier to realize).

 

[publiusr]

Let me give you a reason to be cheerful. I was just at the CBR...where I learned that Jerry Lewis, not Joe Piscopo, was supposed to be Data’s inspiration. Deep Fake will allow that to be rectified. Now, rather than omit Joe...who caused Data to come off forced, I might pad the scene—with Guinan calling up Jerry...who actually did a “life is beautiful” type movie...who was somber in telethons. I would have him age...with every “cut” to him...until Data asks him a question...and is cut off...for Jerry has vanished.

“Timing is everything” a disembodied voice answers as the holodeck empties...


It doesn’t have to be soulless.

There is only one thing that is truly sacred-possibilities!

The tech can add to those.

 

[fireproof78]

There is nothing sacred about violating the dead or human choice.

 

[flandry84]

I don’t think this tech will get used much for movies and tv.All that time and expense plus legal clearances and for what? A cutesy cameo here and there.Glorified fan service.
I think the main use of this tech will be in the field of tv advertising,using familiar faces to hawk products.
Cue the old joke about John Wayne brand toilet tissue—“It’s rough,tough and takes no shit”—

 

[Pauln6]

This stuff is very labour and memory intensive and I couldn't even get the voice cloning software to train from scratch due to error messages that required coding knowledge to resolve. I can now see that there are two other voice cloning models that didn't exist a year ago, neither one of which looks any more user friendly than the one I tried. I really couldn't face removing the one I tried and all the pre-trained models, loading on a new one, and then going through all that effort again for a different set of error messages for the three vocoded sentences I needed.

The fact that the software is so open to abuse is probably why they are never going to make it user friendly. I don't think it is going to revolutionise TV or movies. It is what is. If you work in the industry or if you have the spare time, you can have some fun with it making memes or some such. You might get uber-fans dubbing Grand Moff Tarkin in a vocoded Peter Cushing voice or something silly like that.

Hell, I'd even be willing to pay someone to do the 5 lines of dialogue I need to 'perfect' my fan edit. And while I'm at it, I really hate Shatner's delivery of, "The question is, Mr Decker, is there a next move?" I bet a vocoder could deliver more emotion than Shatner for that line!

 

[publiusr]

The tech will get better. “That’s Entertainment!” was a splicing of (dead) actors—-was that evil? Or did it make stars live again?

Now, many of us remember tech of earlier times...and how hard it is to pull a fake.

By 2100, all footage will be suspect. Moon Hoax believers and such will abound. The threat to history is the big worry.

 

[fireproof78]

The tech will get better. “That’s Entertainment!” was a splicing of (dead) actors—-was that evil? Or did it make stars live again?

Now, many of us remember tech of earlier times...and how hard it is to pull a fake.

By 2100, all footage will be suspect. Moon Hoax believers and such will abound. The threat to history is the big worry.

As you say all footage will be suspect. So, rather than taking obvious footage and splicing it together I can take someone and have them say something altogether against what they actually believe. It's a dangerous trend, removes choice, removes trust, and basically says "Here's your stars; never mind the cost."

All I see it doing is removing humanity. Used to be a bad thing. Now, a lot of what I see is people wanting humans to get out of the way of tech in the service of fan wank. No thank you.

 

[publiusr]

Genetic research is what creeps me out more than images. It all depends on how it’s used

 

[jackoverfull]

It’s not as if you can stop all this.

Yes, pretty soon random videos on YouTube won’t be necessarily a good recording of what happened...Well, in fact it’s already like this. Perhaps people will start trying to determine the reliability of a source before being amazed by the wow factor of the content?

 

[fireproof78]

It’s not as if you can stop all this.

Yes, pretty soon random videos on YouTube won’t be necessarily a good recording of what happened...Well, in fact it’s already like this. Perhaps people will start trying to determine the reliability of a source before being amazed by the wow factor of the content?

I'll protest it regardless. Inevitable doesn't mean acceptable.

 

[jackoverfull]

Sure, one can choose between trying to stop a stream with their body or going with the flow and trying to make the best of it.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure, one can choose between trying to stop a stream with their body or going with the flow and trying to make the best of it.

There is no best.