Use of Romulan's in Trek XI?

[Thomas Riker]

In reference to Balance of Terror, Wouldn't the use of Romulan's violate Trek Canon?, I know the Romulan Wars are over and all that, but are we to believe that Kirk and Nero will never meet in the entire movie.

I think this might hint at the role the romulans will ultimately have in this movie, maybe they never actually travel back in time at all!

 

[MisterPL]

Given that Nimoy's Spock is in the film and the last time we saw him was in the company of Romulans, it's not an outrageous breach of canon (such as it is) for that race to show up in this flick.

 

[martin]

I hope this baddie Romulan is doing what he is to Spock, because he is trying to stop "Re-Unification" and imagine if the end sees Spock achieve his goal of reuniting the Romulans and Vulcans! Either in person, or giving up his life to see it through. That would affect any Post Nemesis tv series if they become allies!

 

[Son_of_Soong]

This is one case where I pray for war not peace...

 

[T'Bonz]

I'm not particularly happy with what they did with the Romulans in Nemesis. Hopefully they'll do a better job with them in this movie.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Nemesis was misleading. We were lead to believe the Romulans were to play a major role... instead they took a back seat to Shinzon and the Remans.

If they're in the new movie I have a feeling they will get more focus.

 

[Thomas Riker]

Yes, But I think I was getting at the fact that it is canon that no human has ever seen a Romulan until Balance of Terror, so my question is .. will kirk and nero ever meet or face each other during Trek XI? I'll be honest I hope they do! I am tired of these rules based on canon that confine us into a corner with regards to story-telling. Sometimes I wish Spock wasn't so specific - damn vulcans!

 

[Shikarnov]

Nemesis' portrayal was just par for the course. The Romulan concept was gravely ill around the time that Sela came around in Redemption, and they completely jumped the shark when Troi was terrifying an entire bridge crew with idle threats.

If we have to see the Romulans in the new movie, I hope they're a little closer to Commander Ael of the Diane Duane novels.

J

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Long Live Tomalak

 

[Thomas Riker]

Spilio said:
Nemesis' portrayal was just par for the course. The Romulan concept was gravely ill around the time that Sela came around in Redemption, and they completely jumped the shark when Troi was terrifying an entire bridge crew with idle threats.

If we have to see the Romulans in the new movie, I hope they're a little closer to Commander Ael of the Diane Duane novels.

J

I very much enjoyed Simon Hawke's interpretation in "The Romulan Prize"

See Memory Alpha on the Romulan Prize Novel

 

[SonicRanger]

Thomas Riker said:
Yes, But I think I was getting at the fact that it is canon that no human has ever seen a Romulan until Balance of Terror...

No, it is canon that no human has seen a Romulan and either (a) recognized him/her as a Romulan or (b) lived to tell about it.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

They could met and have Kirk simply not know that his species was called Romulan

 

[Akiraprise]

Yup, that's an easy way around the canon issue. Kirk and Nero can have entire conversations together, and all Nero has to do is say he's Vulcan. No canon breach.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^ Right, if Nero (and IF he is a romulan, according to rumors) and young Kirk meet face-to-face, who's to say that Nero will present himself as a Romulan -- he could pose as a Vulcan.

EDIT: I was replying to SonicRanger...Akiraprise Beat me to it

 

[shapeshifter]

Excellent idea for getting around that stupid, story stifling statement by Spock.

But try and convince a naysayer of that possibility. Once some people get an idea of what exactly a point of canon means, you cannot easily change their minds.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

I wouldn't mind seeing more Romulans in prequels now.

 

[Thomas Riker]

The way I see it Spock is responsible for getting us into this mess with canon, so he should be responsible for getting us out by hiding the fact the the bad guys are romulans from the illustrious crew of the starship enterprise

 

[Vektor]

SonicRanger said:
No, it is canon that no human has seen a Romulan and either (a) recognized him/her as a Romulan or (b) lived to tell about it.

I would add:

(c) was allowed to tell anyone else below a very high level of security clearance.

I think it's possible Kirk and Spock might have known more about the Romulans than they let on in Ballance of Terror. If they had encountered Nero and his gang a few years earlier and been told, presumably by older Spock, that they could not reveal the truth about the Romulans without jeopardizing the timeline, they might have willingly kept it a secret. If you go back and watch BOT, you see some looks exchanged between Kirk and Spock that seemed like simple surprise at the Romulans' appearance in the original context, but could have a different meaning entirely.

Than again, maybe young Kirk and Spock never find out who they're really dealing with or lose their memory of it for some reason. Maybe older Spock erases Nero's true identity with a mind meld. There are numerous possibilities.

 

[MisterPL]

I think once the Romulans were revealed to look EXACTLY like Vulcans in Balance of Terror, Spock and the rest may have had second thoughts about the intelligence they'd been given. Just give me one line where Stiles says, "They've been masquerading as Vulcans right under our noses!" and we wouldn't even be discussing this.

(But then we'd be missing all this fun.)

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^ Stiles doesn't come right out and say that, but he implies that Spock could be a Romulan spy.