USA distribution -CBS All Access discussion
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Not even Magnum?
Tragic.
Tragic.
This might not be directly aimed at you, but you've set me off. I've been arguing this a long time, and here we go again: Getting channels that you don't want and paying for them as part of your cable/dish bill is GOOD. I'll explain.
Say I like Game Show Network (I do), you don't but you like the Travel channel (which I watch very rarely and usually only in hotel rooms as a nice quiet noise to go to sleep by), and Bob likes the Golf channel (blech) and doesn't watch either. None of them might make enough on their own to make it if people had to choose them ala carte and they didn't get that base money from just being in the lineup. So you and Bob help pay for my GSN viewing, and I help pay for your Travel channel and Bob's stupid golf crap. We all win. Commercial sales make up another portion of the needed income for the networks (except the premium channels which are a slightly different model and usually ARE a la carte), so if they can't sell enough ads to their niche, there's still a way for really bad or unpopular channels to fail. A la carte would kill everything except the most popular.
If you don't think that's a problem, consider that sometimes channels that haven't had a winner in a while have generated massive cultural phenomena (AMC's The Walking Dead, for example). For another, maybe YOU don't like Food Network, but maybe the new guy/girl/small furry creature from Alpha Centauri that you've just started seeing does, and it being in the diversity of channels in your lineup will give you something to keep him/her/them on your couch while you try to hold hands/snog/whatever. It isn't all about you.
These separate, single network/content provider streaming services are going to make that worse.
That said, I think it may be inevitable. And I'm going to sign up for All Access about a week before DIS premieres. So I'll be part of the problem. Sigh.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. However I find this trend almost inevitable so being part of the problem is almost a sacrifice to getting what you want. If you didn't want to be part of the problem, throw the TV into the dumpster.
In terms of shows on CBS, the earliest ones I remember was Dr Quinn Medicine Woman and Touched By An Angel. Don't remember a lot of the CBS I grew up with (early 90s late 80s)
Actually, the special was broadcact by UPN...And not to pour water on the joke, but for those who may take it seriously, Fraizer was an NBC series, produced by Paramount.Star Trek: 30 Years and Beyond featured the Frasier cast, in character, aboard Voyager with Captain Janeway. It was on CBS. So, yes and no. But mostly, no.
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Except that when you break it down, CBS is #3 in the demo of adult 18-49. Which means CBS is capturing 50+ in HUGE numbers to jump them to #1 overall. Which is usually not seen as a good thing, as advertisers hate that demo.
LOL I watched a ton of Frasier growing up because my parents are a little obsessed with it. It still has a place in my heart. It's on the same level as Perfect Strangers. I can't see it objectively at all.
The people who advertise on network television these days aren't after millennials.
Whenever I go to my parents house and they have the TV on and I see TV ads again, it's like I've gone through a time machine. For some reason online and streaming ads look and feel very different.
Yet their biggest show, the Big Bang Theory, does. Two additional points: millenials are not the only group within that demo, and none of this is really relevant anyway.
Larger point: appealing to 50+ is not typically seen as good for longevity (unless you're specifically aiming your product at that demographic, but last I checked, CBS wasn't trying to be known as the old person's network).
No. But there's definitely a conscious effort to be the center-right network. All their [procedural] dramas skew that way. And moving forward, that's going to become the coveted demo. The traditional ratings paradigm is changing fast, especially for "broadcast" television.
The 40+ upper middle class group is going to be the one to go after. They have the most disposable income, and they're the group least likely to "cut the cord." Plus, they're going to be around longer. Even people in their 60s have a good two or even three decades of regular TV watching left in them.
CBS has completely cornered the market in demo and it's given them both short-term and (most likely) long-term financial stability, which is why they can be the first to jump on the streaming, a la carte bandwagon.
Despite how some people seem to think, the market is still in its infancy. And there's a very strong possibility that the whole thing could go to hell in five years--especially because no one knows what's going to happen with net neutrality.
So CBS is really the only network (right now) that can afford to take the risk. And since they do have the right-leaning older group locked up, they can brand this new "channel" to the younger left-leaning demo.
Which is why they started with Star Trek. And why they're going the with the look and tone that they are.
But I pointed all this out a year ago.
The 40+ upper middle class group is going to be the one to go after. They have the most disposable income, and they're the group least likely to "cut the cord." Plus, they're going to be around longer. Even people in their 60s have a good two or even three decades of regular TV watching left in them.
CBS has completely cornered the market in demo and it's given them both short-term and (most likely) long-term financial stability, which is why they can be the first to jump on the streaming, a la carte bandwagon.
Despite how some people seem to think, the market is still in its infancy. And there's a very strong possibility that the whole thing could go to hell in five years--especially because no one knows what's going to happen with net neutrality.
So CBS is really the only network (right now) that can afford to take the risk. And since they do have the right-leaning older group locked up, they can brand this new "channel" to the younger left-leaning demo.
Which is why they started with Star Trek. And why they're going the with the look and tone that they are.
But I pointed all this out a year ago.
Actually they didn't start with start trek. Star trek is actually their 3rd original series. They started by moving big brother live feeds to CBSAA and then did a big brother season just on all access. Next was good fight and now finally star trek.
Problem being, you also have to have a $60 internet connection to make it all work. So that $50 is more like $110.
You heard wrong. Mary Tyler Moore ran for seven seasons and was intentionally ended, not cancelled.
By contrast, Person of Interest had it's fifth season cut back to 13 episodes (which is basically a quiet cancellation after the episodes air), then CBS delayed broadcasting the season for about six months, then doubled up on broadcasting the episodes with little marketing ahead of time. Limitless was killed after only one season. I don't see how you can compare that with Mary Tyler Moore, especially given that the two shows I mentioned were cancelled last year and are thus more representative of the people currently running CBS.
Separate streaming networks are not "à la carte". There's a big difference between one service giving you different prices depending on what you want to watch and several dozen services charging you a flat rate for all their content. Different services have varying levels of quality and stability, and have different user interfaces that may or may not support the same features. (For example: on my dad's Android-based smart TV, you can use a Bluetooth mini-keyboard to type in a search in Netflix, but not in Amazon Prime.) Having a small handful of mature and highly functional streaming services isn't ideal for competition, but it's way better for most consumers.
That wasn't the point...the point is that everything ends.....except Doctor Who
In the case of PoI, CBS made it obvious they were cancelled but never openly recognized it as such, basically stringing everyone along. Eventually the showrunners got fed up and announced that it was the last season. And keep in mind that they delayed airing the episodes, then did a burn down. There's a difference between that kind of behavior and a straight-up cancellation.That wasn't the point...the point is that everything ends.....except Doctor Who
Well, if we're considering the internet connection let's add email, web browsing, online music, youtube, free video sites like Crackle, and a litany of other benefits to the value of streaming over cable.
Sorry, you're not going to win this.
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