Up close photos of the Picard Museum props

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  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    One of the STO devs posted these publicly on his twitter.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nduguid/albums/72157710263869957
    They're great quality, he used a good camera. Better then some of the stuff out there already.
    One of the volunteers at the exhibit even took down the Bat'leth and open the D'k tahg case for better pictures.
     
  2. Psion

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    That's very cool. I wish there were more pictures of the placards.
    The Picard placards.
    A peck more Picard placards would placate me.
     
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  3. Dukhat

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    Agreed, I wish he spent more time taking photos of the other stuff instead of focusing 1/3 of the pics on Picard’s clothes.

    Anyway, the one thing that really stands out is the award given in 2364 (immediately prior to Picard’s taking command of the Enterprise-D) where it appears he was either in command of another ship, the U.S.S. Reliant, or serving on her in some capacity even though he was of captain’s rank. This is consistent with him meeting Tasha Yar for the first time and then recommending her for a post on the Enterprise in the TNG episode “Legacy.” I’m paraphrasing, but Picard had mentioned something to the effect of his ship (unnamed) meeting up with her ship prior to the start of TNG. We never knew the name of said ship until now. For some reason Picard didn’t have a model of it in his ready room along with the Stargazer or ever talked about it like he did the latter ship, unless it was a secret mission and we’ll be seeing it in a new Star Trek: Reliant series... ;)

    It also might or might not be the same Reliant that Picard served on as an ensign when he met Lieutenant (now Admiral) Nakamura in the 2320’s in the deleted scene from “Measure of A Man” unless the ship was 40-50+ years old by the time Captain Picard served on it.
     
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  4. Kor

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    Distinguished Record of Service on USS Reliant 2364? Wasn't he already captain of the Enterprise by then?

    Edit: Ninja'd 20 minutes ago because I had the page up on my screen for a while.

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    Looks like Picard won a Vulcan Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony
     
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    Reanok Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    thanks for posting a link from the Picard Museum photos.
     
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  7. Danlav05

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    Wasn't it from there that we learnt Picard was promoted to Admiral in 2381 and retired in 2386? Also there was a Worf trial or something?
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    1981? Wow he's long lived :lol:
    But yes, one of the placards, I think the one under the Enterprise-E model that says that.
     
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  9. Crewman6

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    I was in the museum. It was mostly trophies.
     
  10. Timo

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    I guess that depends. He certainly was E-D commanding officer in 2364 (see "The Neutral Zone"), but that doesn't mean he couldn't also have been other things in the early months of that year.

    However, that sorta grates with the model where the stardate year (aka Paramount season) rolls over in late summer rather than January 1st - the preferred model for explaining most stardate/season vs. time-of-year-on-Earth issues. Per that model, Picard took E-D command in late 2363 already, with Tasha Yar in tow.

    Would Picard have time for stints aboard other ships during the first season of TNG? In terms of stardates, yes, easily enough: most of the adventures are packed tight in the 41200 ballpark, while e.g. the 41400 range is virtually empty (and that's around the time when 2363 would roll over to 2364 in that competing model). But TNG S1 and stardates... Well, enough said already.

    In terms of plotlines? People are always going places in TNG, taking part in conferences or wrestling competitions or whatnot. And there are these boooooring survey missions in every season, allowing Riker to take over (assuming it's not ancient mud that is being surveyed, of course). Picard never took any leave before "Captain's Holiday", but his merit for the Reliant is for actual service anyway!

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    The Klingon Planetary Humanitarian Award, eh?

    Maybe you win that for putting your pathetic enemies out of their misery, the worthless pataks!
     
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    Amusingly many of the trophies are awarded for Picard being a Generally Good Person - even the Vulcan ones. If you only got that sort, you might view your actual professional career as something of a failure...

    Apparently among the placards is the equivalent of Picard's Mile High Club diploma, with an Eaves starship and text indicating that Picard officially first went faster than 300,000,000 m/s on a cruise in 2327 or so. It doesn't specifically mention what Picard did during that memorable moment, but documents of this nature aren't always explicit.

    (USS Leondegrance is rather obviously Eavesian - but not out of the place for the era if you are a FASA fan. It's an Excalibur reference, apparently.)

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    I guess the Klingons got over their hangup over expressions with the word "human." It seems like they should use a word like "Klingonitarian" for their species' equivalent of the concept.



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    I'm assuming his command of the Reliant ended in 2364 immediately before "Encounter at Farpoint." Either that, or he just got the award later. As to how long he was in command, well, there was an almost ten year gap between losing the Stargazer and taking command of the Enterprise. He at least had to have been in command of the Reliant when he first met Tasha per dialogue from "Legacy." I'm more curious as to why Picard never mentioned this command before.

    Actually the design is incredibly out of place, since it's Eaves concept art of an Enterprise-E-era ship for an aborted video game.
     
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    I think there needs to be a word besides "humanitarian". So I turned to the thesaurus.

    The words that come up are:
    Of these, I'd choose "philanthropist" to replace "humanitarian". Or if a word ending in "-ist" might be misconstrued negatively, I'd go with "altruistic".

    So the "Klingon Planetary Altruism Award". Or maybe "Klingon Planetary Benevolence Award" but a warrior race would probably shy away from the word "benevolent". So Altruism gets my vote.
     
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    “Eleemosynary”?? Learn something new every day. Never heard of that one before.
     
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    There is no accepted TNG-era stardate model straddling two calendar years; the restructured timeline in ENC16 can be dismissed as inconsistent with the text which the Okudas mostly added to rather than perform a ground-up revision. Even onscreen we saw the writers starting to follow the season-to-year mapping by VGR S1, where 2371 was cited around the middle and towards the end of the 48xxx range.

    According to “The Drumhead”, Picard was captain of the Enterprise since stardate 41124, which fits the nominal system at least.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, these awards and the amount of detail and thought that's gone into them is awesome.

    But I'm not gonna take the dates and details as gospel any more than background graphics or props in other shows. Like in Stargate Atlantis, which had a diploma for Rodney Ingram McKay for several seasons, until an episode established his name as Meridith Rodney McKay. Or Star Trek: Enterprise, which had those character profiles for Archer and Hoshi which weren't intended to be seen up close, but got full-screen closeup treatment. (#NotMyPresidentArcher)

    We did save them from extinction, after all ;)
     
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  19. Boris Skrbic

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    Sure, the Canon Association has ruled that text of that nature must be legible on a screencap of the highest-resolution master of the show in question, but it’s not like the showrunner would just tell everyone to “go off and do whatever, who ever heard of Trek fans and freeze-frame, gimme a break!” At the very least, someone would’ve OK’d a particular piece of artwork, in other cases it might’ve been based on backstory from a script or the series bible, and as such should be treated as having happened unless contradicted to the point of no retcon (at least so far as licensed publications are concerned).
     
  20. Timo

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    The latter sounds quite possible - otherwise, wouldn't this award have the dates of his service aboard that ship, the ones he's being commended for? That is, a starting date and an ending date?

    2364 could well be when the USS Reliant Remembrance Association got around to honoring the now-famous Captain Picard for his early years as Ensign Picard aboard that vessel. Exactly because he now was famous.

    Not really.

    1) There's nothing in the episode to suggest Picard was in command of "his" ship, any more than Tasha was of "hers".
    2) There's no reason to think this was the Reliant anyway.
    3) There's no reason to think Picard ever commanded a Reliant. The text on the knickknack only speaks of a "distinguished record of service" on that ship, for a man who in 2364 would have been formally known as Captain Picard.

    Why mention it? But the cut scene from "Measure of a Man" could be our reference if we want to, separating the Reliant from command for good.

    ...Heavily refined for this appearance. Basically, we see an Excelsior saucer coupled to an angular secondary hull that has warp nacelles and humungous impulse engines. FASA is rife with those, for its late 23rd or early 24th century; we have no competing information from onscreen sources, other than Excelsior saucers being a big thing during both the "NCC-2000-something era" and the early 24th century.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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