I agree. While I liked the movie unis, this establishes that uniform was used for, what? Sixty years? Odd considering Starfleet seems to change it's look completely every five to ten years with small changes all along the way.
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I agree. While I liked the movie unis, this establishes that uniform was used for, what? Sixty years? Odd considering Starfleet seems to change it's look completely every five to ten years with small changes all along the way.
...Although the change might not be quite as complete as you think.
All the TOS uniforms, from first to second pilot to the last regular episode, were basically the same thing: black pants with colorful pullovers of mildly varying collar styles. The ST2 through "Yesterday's Enterprise" uniforms were essentially the same thing plus jackets. And we might argue that the TOS uniforms would have had optional jackets, too. Possibly the TOS Dress Uniform style was supposed to be worn over the pullovers in all formal occasions, but Kirk and fellow personnel would take liberties in deep space. No such liberties while on a training cruise in front of impressionable young trainees... Or when interacting closely with the high brass on Earth, or performing important diplomatic sorties out of Earth orbit, which is essentially what always happened in the movies but never in TOS.
All the TNG era uniforms from the mid-2350s to ST:FC, were basically the same thing: one- or two-piece jumpsuits with either shoulders or the rest of the uniform color-coded. The ST:FC style isn't that much of a departure, really.
In that sense, there's continuity, annoyingly punctuated by the TMP pajamas. Those would have looked quite a bit better if the black pants had been retained, I think...
Timo Saloniemi
All the TOS uniforms, from first to second pilot to the last regular episode, were basically the same thing: black pants with colorful pullovers of mildly varying collar styles. The ST2 through "Yesterday's Enterprise" uniforms were essentially the same thing plus jackets. And we might argue that the TOS uniforms would have had optional jackets, too. Possibly the TOS Dress Uniform style was supposed to be worn over the pullovers in all formal occasions, but Kirk and fellow personnel would take liberties in deep space. No such liberties while on a training cruise in front of impressionable young trainees... Or when interacting closely with the high brass on Earth, or performing important diplomatic sorties out of Earth orbit, which is essentially what always happened in the movies but never in TOS.
All the TNG era uniforms from the mid-2350s to ST:FC, were basically the same thing: one- or two-piece jumpsuits with either shoulders or the rest of the uniform color-coded. The ST:FC style isn't that much of a departure, really.
In that sense, there's continuity, annoyingly punctuated by the TMP pajamas. Those would have looked quite a bit better if the black pants had been retained, I think...
Timo Saloniemi
For a bridging uniform between TWOK-TUC and TNG, I think that TPTB should've altered the leftover TMP uniforms since they have much in common with the first-season jumpers especially the low collar (or lack of one). The tunic could've been shortened, a communicator pin added instead of a patch and black slacks similar in cut to the TNG uniforms could've been used instead of the bootie pants.
Someone on the boards once did, I think ardias or ancient, a take on the TMP uniforms that did something similar and I always though that those would've been better transitional uniforms from TOS movies to TNG.
And if they really wanted to use the monster maroons, they should've made it a waist coat instead of a long one with a black collar added to the top. Of course, with all the alterations to the regular TNG unis for YE, the costume department had to go off-the-rack for the E-C crew.
Another difference between the movie era TWOK uniforms and the 24th Century TWOK uniforms is that the movie ones had countless different colours for it's undershirts while the 24th Century version only had 3 colours which were white, yellow, and I think blue/green.
Heh -- I'm sure the Swingers wore them with the flap unsnapped, to show off their hairy chests and gold chains.
In fairness, we only saw three cadets in uniform. There were two other colors for the 23rd century Starfleet uniforms from TWOK, esp., red undershirts for cadets/trainees, and green undershirts for medical personnel, like Dr. McCoy. The other colors, white (command), blue/gray (sciences), and gold (operations/engineering), were simply the three divisions Picard, Batanides, and Zweller were in.
However, slightly off-topic, there has been some confusion over colors and departments. For example, the blue/gray shirt Chekov wore. He wore it while he was first officer on Reliant, even though he probably should have worn white. Then, he seemed to serve as security chief on Enterprise when he rejoined Kirk & Co. while wearing the blue/gray undershirt.
Then there's the real bad costuming mistake with Valeris from TUC. She was a full-fledged officer, not a cadet, yet she wore a red cadet/trainee undershirt, and her jacket had the blue/gray strap on the shoulder and left sleeve. It should've been all one color, and the color should've been gold (she was navigator) or white (as a command-track officer).
Speaking of the cadet color, I was never crazy about that shade of red as it clashed with the burgundy jacket. I would have used a diagonal strip of red cloth across the top of the uniform strap to denote the cadets' status, so everyone would've had the proper division colors.
End of digression!
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