Uniform question

[Guy Gardener]

Odo ital, if Tom was a prisoner who had been dismissed from Starfleet. Not just a civilian but a black stain on the honour and tradition of the service, why exactly then was such an asshole retrobate threat to the intregity of all they stood for, wearing a Starfleet Uniform on the bridge of a Federation Starship?

Surely Paris should have been in civilian garb or some sort of prison smock. The little criminal is lucky he wasn't manacled with pain givers.

Cashiered and field promotion were the words used. The reactivation clause used on McCoy in the motion picture wasn't mentioned, but it would apply to both Tom and Chakotay if they were no longer Starfleet officers which most certainly Chuckles was not.

JANEWAY: The two of you didn't get along too well, I'm told.
PARIS: Chakotay will tell you he left Starfleet on principle, to defend his home colony from the Cardassians. I, on the other hand, was forced to resign. He considered me a mercenary, willing to fight for anyone who'd pay my bar bill. Trouble is, he was right. I have no problem helping you track down my friends in the Maquis, Captain. All I need to know from you is what's in it for me.
JANEWAY: You help us find that ship, we help you at your next outmeet review.
PARIS: Ah ha.
JANEWAY: Officially, you'd be a Starfleet observer during the mission.
PARIS: Observer? Oh hell, I'm the best pilot you could have.
JANEWAY: You'll be an observer. When it's over, you're cut loose.
PARIS: The story of my life.

He resigned?

Jumped before he was pushed?

"Starfleet Observer"

Sounds like the reactivation clause, but forwarding the lad no rank, just so he would get into extra special trouble if he didn't follow all her orders during the mission.

 

[starlitegirl]

I still don't understand anything on voyager regarding what colors they were or what is on their collar. What's the difference between red, blue, and yellow? The bars and pips are confusing.

 

[froot]

Red - CONN/Command
Yellow - Engineering/Security
Blue - Science/Medical

 

[Guy Gardener]

The truly confusing bit is that red and gold switched betqween Kirk and Picards eras.

pips

1 gold = ensign.

1 gold 1 black -= Lieutenant junior grade

2 gold = full Lieutenant.

2 gold 1 black= Lieutenant Commander

3 gold = Commander

4 gold = Captain.

4 gold inside a gold frame/border = Admiral

Maquis have the same, but with gold and black stripes on Provisional rank badges instead of pips because they're not real officers. They're prisoners awaiting trial, conviction and sentencing, and not fireworks and a ticker tape parade.

 

[starlitegirl]

Maybe during the Kirk/Spock era they hadn't really thought it out. But by TNG they had and decided to make it as close to military as they could because it eliminates confusion as opposed to making something up.

 

[starlitegirl]

Red - CONN/Command
Yellow - Engineering/Security
Blue - Science/Medical

So with Paris being between CONN and medical, shouldn't he have worn both? Different colors for where he was placed?

 

[od0_ital]

^

He wore the division collar of his primary duties, which involved pilotin' the ship. Not like he really did that much in sickbay, anyway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He should have been wearing purple.

In TOS they had stripes around the wrists to denote rank of officers.

In the movies (after the motionless picture) they used these clusters of chevrons that looked like flower jewellery to denote rank. Looking at it in reverse it's as if someone's plucking petals as you refer to lower ranked persons insignia.

The middle movies had extensive non comissioned ranks too, with costume jewllery to reflect such, which the TNG series barely figured existed except with whatever was on O'Briens collar.

I didn't think that red reflect the con, but more so that you couuldn't get to the con without glancing through the command track.