Ungrateful Actors

[Guy Gardener]

And I fall asleep like clockwork 3/4s the way through Bladerunner.

Which is why we'd make for a terrible couple.

 

[Deckerd]

Rubbish, I'd find a way to keep you awake.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Many decent people in the world have slapped me silly.

Welcome to the club.

 

[exodus]

^^You've gotta keep the events in context.
Everyone on Voyager originally signed a 3 year contract.
During the first 3 years, Beltran & Wang were getting a fair share of scripts equal to their peers. So when they re-signed for 5 more years, they weren't disgruntled about anything. It wasn't until after the resigning that their roles got drastically cut back.

They couldn't quit. In order to quit and be let out of a contract all parties involved have to agree. So while Beltran & his agent might have wanted out, Paramount said "no". Therefore, he's locked into doing the show. This is why he became disgruntled. You're not using him, yet they won't let him go to persue another acting job. Resentment is understandable at that point.

So if Garrett Wang was offered a continued role on a show like "Law & Order: SVU" and picked "Voyager" to do instead, is he still lucky? I would say picking Voyager instead ended his career. What impressive resumes did Lucy Lawless or Tom Welling have before they were cast in leading roles of Smallville or Xena? The resume means nothing, Wang tried out for the part and beat out thousands of others competing for the same job.

Then they should have done a better job when they re-negotiated for the final 5 years. You go in there and say, I want x number of featured episodes or x amount of screen time. If they don't want to give it to you, run for the hills.

This the the problem many including the OP are having.
You can't run for the hills, you're under contract which is legal and binding. You can't break it unless the actors agent and producers come to an agreement. Actors aren't supposted to make demands directly to producers or studios, that's what they hire agents for. I'm under the impression unfortunately that many feel acting is a job where u submit a resume, get hired and you can come and go as you please. It's not, you have to have permission to quit.

"Entourage" maybe a fictional show but the dealings on the show of how agents and the industry works are factual.

 

[exodus]

You have yet to prove anything.
So take your own advice and seek to improve your own maturity.

Nice try. Beltran and Wang's comments about the show are well documented. So there's no need for me to prove anything further when the evidence is out there for anyone to find. You're the one going out of your way to defend their behavior. I noticed in another thread how you bashed Kate Mulgrew for her supposed treatment of Jeri Ryan. Funny how you didn't provide proof and yet here you are criticizing me for not providing any.

But you yourself pointed to Beltran's convention habits and post-Trek activities to his ungrateful attitude. Now that someone's pointed out a fallacy in that argument, you're saying it's irrelevant. You're moving the goalposts to your very own points you're trying to prove. That's the height of denial.

Wrong. How often he attends conventions and what he says at them are two separate issues. He could show up once a year or once every 5 years. It's what he says at his appearance that calls into question his motives for showing up at all. If the guy hated his job, hated his bosses, and thought Star Trek is general was garbage, then why show up at a convention at all? And if you show up just to talk about how much you hated being on the show, then why show up at yet another convention? That just gives the impression that the only reason you're showing up is to continue complaining.

Wang's head was never in the game to begin with.
He was more into his party life off set, than he was on.

Which is why he has no cause to complain. He whines about not being promoted past Ensign or not getting a chance to direct. Given his attitude and how useless his character was, he should be happy they didn't fire him.

TNG & Ds9 didn't use technobabble on the level Voy. did. I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick Stewart would have trouble saying it too.

Oh please. Terry Farrell hired an acting coach. Kate Mulgrew stayed up late. They did what it took to learn their lines. But Beltran just throws his hands in the air and says "the writing sucks so I'm not going to bother learning my lines." As Shatnertage pointed out earlier, even the actress who played Naomi Wildman could deliver technobabble. It has less to do with skill and more with how hard you're willing to work. Beltran's problem is that he just didn't want to work, but he had no problem collecting the paycheck.

As far as Mulgrew/Ryan, Mulgrew at any Con. upon being asked about her relationship with Ryan openly admits while they were great professionally, they didn't see eye to eye personally. Mulgrew also has gone around in Con. openly appologizing to Ryan. If there wasn't a problem, then what is she openly apologizing for?

So if Beltran and Wang were such a problem.
If Beltran did ask to be let go from the show, then why wasn't he?

 

[Lord Manitou]

They were all right professionally and if they didn't agree personally it would be even better.. For, professionally they didn't agree and this made a more characteristic show. Personally, I don't think there is anything drastic about the actors and if their is too much of the cast who personally don't agree then that makes the better show.

 

[exodus]

Is someone that speaks up because they want to actually put in more hours of work really ungrateful? If Beltran had won his protest, would the other actors that were getting smaller roles(Russ,Philips, Wang) have benefited by having their parts increase too? So if he was speaking out not only for himself but the rest of the cast, is he still being ungrateful? Did the other cast members that had their roles decreased see what he was doing as ingratitude or did they secretly support him?

 

[Guy Gardener]

They could have done with a few less exterior shots of the ship.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's a TMP homage.

 

[josborn]

I must say I'm very surprised and saddened to read about Messrs Beltran and Wang's attidudes towards Trek. In my view, yes, they are extremely ungrateful as Voyager presented them with a fantastic opportunity and the chance to work with great writers and great material. No doubt they both became very wealthy thanks to the show.

 

[Lynx]

^^
What I can see, Beltran and Wang aren't negative against Star Trek as such, only negative against the so-called writers and producers who screwed up something that could have been very good.

IMO, the so-called writers were far drom good, their writing was erratic and sloppy ant the overall materiel was so-so. Not to mention that some actors and characters were favorized on the expense of the others.

Frankly, I admire Beltran and Wang for having the guts to speak up against something they think were wrong

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Not to mention that some actors and characters were favorized on the expense of the others.

Thank goodness for that!

Of course I may be a wee bit biased as my top three characters came out ahead.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The were the easiest to write.

The Borg searching for her humanity.

The hologram searching for his humanity

The woman searching for her sanity.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You'd be questioning your sanity too if you knew the answer to 7's search might be "Chakotay".

 

[Deckerd]

"favorized"?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because when she went there, all she found was more tattoos?

 

[Guy Gardener]

"favorized"?

It's a phaser setting.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Because when she went there, all she found was more tattoos?

She know she is the ONLY woman for both of them.

 

[Deckerd]

"favorized"?

It's a phaser setting.

Thanks, I like to learn new sci-fi words.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Because when she went there, all she found was more tattoos?

She know she is the ONLY woman for both of them.

It was a valid choice by Seska to keep her peepers shut during intercourse considering she only loved him like a mistress loves her dog.