"Unending" Question

[MNM]

^He didn't say that Teal'c didn't exist. He said that Teal'c progressed with the rest of them, and when the time field was reversed with Teal'c in the stasis field, Teal's besically replaced himself as he went back.

NO It Makes no sense....

there should be 2 Teal'c one who went back and got younger and one in stasis..

There is only one Teal'c, when they rewind time, Daniel, Vala, Carter, the General and Mitchell regress back along the time lines, Teal'c stays at his "50 years ahead" point. So when they basically take their finger off the rewind button, everyone has moved back to where they were just before the time bubble was implemented (age and position etc), except for Teal'c, who because of the stasis shield, was stuck at a different stage and place.

It's not like they jumped back in time to a different place in time, and had two copies of each person, the time line simply got rewound fifty years. Teal'c stays fifty years older because the stasis shield prevented him from being affected when they rewound the time.

 

[archeryguy1701]

^Sometimes the simplest answers are the best.

I was trying to come up with an answer to Borg451, but everything I came up with sounded fancy and technical and I decided that it wasn't worth it to keep trying to explain it. Good call MNM.

 

[RoJoHen]

^He didn't say that Teal'c didn't exist. He said that Teal'c progressed with the rest of them, and when the time field was reversed with Teal'c in the stasis field, Teal's besically replaced himself as he went back.

NO It Makes no sense....

there should be 2 Teal'c one who went back and got younger and one in stasis..

There is only one Teal'c, when they rewind time, Daniel, Vala, Carter, the General and Mitchell regress back along the time lines, Teal'c stays at his "50 years ahead" point. So when they basically take their finger off the rewind button, everyone has moved back to where they were just before the time bubble was implemented (age and position etc), except for Teal'c, who because of the stasis shield, was stuck at a different stage and place.

It's not like they jumped back in time to a different place in time, and had two copies of each person, the time line simply got rewound fifty years. Teal'c stays fifty years older because the stasis shield prevented him from being affected when they rewound the time.

Yes, but by rewinding time, you still have to account for how Teal'c GOT in the shield in the first place. He got there because of what he did in the past. Rewinding time should have also produced the younger Teal'c.

Which is why I like my theory. Old Teal'c didn't want to deal with having another one around, so he pushed him out the airlock. It's so simple.

 

[MNM]

Yes, but by rewinding time, you still have to account for how Teal'c GOT in the shield in the first place. He got there because of what he did in the past. Rewinding time should have also produced the younger Teal'c.

I'm all for Old Teal'c pushing the younger version out the airlock! But the rewinding time line doesnt have to account for what you said, simply because he actually does get into the stasis shield. From that point, the device holds him there and prevents him from moving backwards with everyone else as they rewind time. Ie, he is outside of the timefield present in the bubble enclosing the ship, and isnt affected when it rewinds itself.

Dont think of it as one large time line where they mill about doing things in it, think of each character having their own timeline sticking out the front and out the back of them. When they hit the rewind button, all the characters on the ship, except Teal'c, move back fifty years on their timeline, as Teal'c is in the stasis shield, he stays at his point on his own line.

Therefore no younger teal'c at the end, as teal'c doesnt regress back to being younger teal'c in the first place.

At the point where they implement the time bubble, think of that as Point A. At this point, all characters are at the "younger" point. They then spend fifty years within the bubble before they work out how to reverse the time field and get out of it. This is Point B. They then prepare everything and realise that if they just hit the rewind switch and reverse back to Point A, then everything will just repeat it self and they will find themselves back at Point B. Someone needs to stay in the stasis shield so that they dont get affected by the reversing time and can arrive back at Point A with the memories, age and experience they had at Point B.

They then rewind time and get back to Point A. Everyone except Teal'c who is still at Point B (ie fifty years older) due to being in the stasis shield. So there is no younger Teal'c at Point A anymore.

New, older Teal'c saves the day with the program to shut down the Asgard core, and they all warp out of there to home. Daniel, Vala, Carter, Mitchel and Landry are all at the same age they were at the begining of the episode, Teal'c is fifty years older.

Once again, we prove there is no younger Teal'c after they rewind time!

 

[archeryguy1701]

Personally, I'm pretty happy just buying that they did it and they made it work. As long as we can remember that the Asgard have the ability to bring time in a sector nearly to a halt while the rest of the universe rolls along at the same speed, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that they can "rewind" the universe with the exception of a small localized field.

 

[cylkoth]

Which is why I like my theory. Old Teal'c didn't want to deal with having another one around, so he pushed him out the airlock. It's so simple.

Or, Old Teal'c emerges from the field after the rewind, and runs into young Teal'c in the corridor...then out of nowhere, Jean Claude Van Damme poofs in, and accidentally knocks young T into Old T. Since the same matter can't occupy the same space at the same time. and they blob together, melding into one being.

Teal'c goes back to his apartment and burns his Van Damme movie collection. Simple.

 

[RoJoHen]

I think I'd like it better if it were Chuck Norris, but that's not a bad theory.

 

[Reverend]

I would think young Teal'C was nudged into a mini-divergent reality, like a little 50 year loophole in space-time.

 

[MNM]

I would think young Teal'C was nudged into a mini-divergent reality, like a little 50 year loophole in space-time.

Not to sound like I'm beating a dead horse too much, but "young Teal'c" simply grew up into "50 year older Teal'c". Nothing more complicated than that.

 

[Australis]

There's only one way to settle this. Let's build us some time machines, and see what happens when we go back and run into ourselves.

While we're about it, we'll sort out that whole 'sound of thunder' thing too.

 

[cylkoth]

There's only one way to settle this. Let's build us some time machines, and see what happens when we go back and run into ourselves.
.

Which would you prefer, a Delorean, or a blue Police Box?

 

[archeryguy1701]

There's only one way to settle this. Let's build us some time machines, and see what happens when we go back and run into ourselves.

While we're about it, we'll sort out that whole 'sound of thunder' thing too.

We can't just do any old time machine though! We aren't just travelling back in time, we're rewinding time!

 

[RoJoHen]

Maybe Young Teal'c is trapped in a warp bubble, and the ship is slowly disappearing all around him.

 

[chrinFinity]

Time travel isn't necessarily going to work in the same way every time it happens in a given universe (fictional or otherwise).

Something as simple as your computer doesn't even work the same way every time you use it. You might sit down, and to the best of your knowledge and abilities, "do the same thing as last time," and have it behave in two completely different ways, with two completely different and potentially unpredictable outcomes. Now consider how much more complicated must be the science of time travel, compared to the complexity of using a PC?

Consider that most users, even those who are considered "advanced" users, have a woefully incomplete, pathetically inadequate understanding of what is really going on inside their computers, and yet people still manage to make decent use of their machines just the same, albeit with unpredictable outcomes.

It seems silly to pretend like we even know enough about the science of time travel to pick apart the hows and whys of a plot which, at the end of the day, is fictional anyway.

So should there be a duplicate Teal'c? The answer is no, but not because of some bs time travel explanation, but simply because that doesn't fit the story.

 

[NJOberheim]

What im confused about is why once they went back in time, they didnt continue to have the problem where the Ori were able to track them. They still had the Asgard technolgy on board. Did I miss something?

 

[archeryguy1701]

The problem they had before going into the time bubble was that they couldn't get the core shut down quickly, and the Ori would always show up before they were done, so they would have to leave it on and flee again. However, during their 70 year tenure in the bubble, Carter came up with a program that will allow the core to shut down much more quickly.

 

[NJOberheim]

The problem they had before going into the time bubble was that they couldn't get the core shut down quickly, and the Ori would always show up before they were done, so they would have to leave it on and flee again. However, during their 70 year tenure in the bubble, Carter came up with a program that will allow the core to shut down much more quickly.

Oh ok. That makes sense. I guess it's one of those episodes you have to watch more than once.

Thanks!

 

[Daniel Cock]

^He didn't say that Teal'c didn't exist. He said that Teal'c progressed with the rest of them, and when the time field was reversed with Teal'c in the stasis field, Teal's besically replaced himself as he went back.

NO It Makes no sense....

there should be 2 Teal'c one who went back and got younger and one in stasis..

There is only one Teal'c, when they rewind time, Daniel, Vala, Carter, the General and Mitchell regress back along the time lines, Teal'c stays at his "50 years ahead" point. So when they basically take their finger off the rewind button, everyone has moved back to where they were just before the time bubble was implemented (age and position etc), except for Teal'c, who because of the stasis shield, was stuck at a different stage and place.

It's not like they jumped back in time to a different place in time, and had two copies of each person, the time line simply got rewound fifty years. Teal'c stays fifty years older because the stasis shield prevented him from being affected when they rewound the time.

No.. think about it.. when they RE-WINDED TIME all the events with Teal'c wouldnt be there... in the backwards time reality... who sat down with them at xmas.. and pulled the cracker... who did carter replicate tritonin for?

 

[SG-17]

The whole episode was a jumbled mess of space-time calamity. However enjoyable.
I believe that old Teal'c's energy was stronger and older than Young Teal'c so it caused immediate Entropic Cascade Failure in Young Teal'c resulting in him disappearing.

 

[Kpnuts]

The episode was pathetic, and needs to be forgotten rather than trying to figure out its numerous plot holes