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Underappreciated Trilogies

Since I necro'd my own thread, let's mention two of the three individual Trilogies that make up FOX's X-Men Cinematic Universe, shall we?

As with the other Trilogies I've mentioned, people tend to pooh-pooh the final installments in both the First Class and original X-Men trilogies, which is a bit of a shame since both The Last Stand and Apocalypse are decent-to-very-good movies, with the former made better if rewarded in its proper overall chronological setting since doing so gives you the additional 'weight' of knowing where its events lead.

Apocalypse doesn't yet have a 'sequel' film to help bolster its prestige in hindsight, but that's likely going to change with Dark Phoenix.
 
I liked Apocalypse, though mostly for things unrelated to the namesake character, unfortunately. Haven't seen Last Stand and not planning to. From everything I've heard I'm better off that way.
 
On the guilty pleasure front, there's also Hammer Film's notorious "Karnstein Trilogy" of lesbian vampire flicks: THE VAMPIRE LOVERS, LUST FOR A VAMPIRE, and TWINS OF EVIL.

Hey, it's a trilogy . . . .:)
 
Last Stand was an ok concept that was really dragged down by the useless addition (and mangling) of the phoenix story. Not to mention the writing that made Ian McKellen sound like a dumb bond villain, and the incredibly lazy cinematography that can't decide if its day or night at the golden gate bridge. But it does still have one of the best fight sequences in the series - really the only time other than the DofP future scenes where the x-men actually felt like a team working together.

Apocalypse is very similar in many ways. The core concept was fine, but the writers kept stuffing things in whether they fit or not. Magneto's role is utterly terrible despite Fassbender clearly elevating his material. The entire wolverine sequence brings the whole movie to a screeching halt for no good reason whatsoever. If it had been a movie starring just the new cast with minor cameos from Xavier and maybe Mystique (her role as Storm's role model was actually a decent cap to her development across the series), it would have been much better (and hopefully would've given some more development to Apocalypse's philosophy and, you know, any development at all to his horsemen).

And I will never understand what moron thought it was a brilliant idea to explain Moira's absence in the second movie as 'charles mindraped her into forgetting everything even though he had no logical reason to do so, but she doesn't mind, so it's all cool, now'. That was just utterly disgusting.
 
Well, the mindrape occurred in First Class, not Apocalypse. I was happy to see her back for Apocalypse, and I like that Charles acknowledged he made a mistake.

Personally I thought the reason was that he'd taken to heart Erik's concerns that if the government knew who the mutants were than they'd be vulnerable.
 
I'll have to rewatch that one again. Did they actually show him do that to her at the end? I don't remember much after the beach scene anymore.
 
Yes. They kiss and he puts his hand to his temple in classic "I'm doing telepathy" style and then she spaces out and reports back to her superiors that she can't recall what happened.

I believe Apocalypse utilizes appropriate stock footage from FC.
 
What confused me is that I'd gotten the impression that she remembered everything up until they all left for Xavier's mansion, then it was all a blank. But in Apocalypse, she doesn't even remember Xavier, Havoc, or Mystique at all.

The Narnia trilogy is often overlooked, I feel. The movies came out during the height of swords and sorcery genre in Hollywood, had some success but never reached the heights of Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit. Maybe it was marketing or the time of year the films were released, but I just can't figure out why these films didn't perform better or gained the notoriety of their competition.

In fairness, Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire came out in late 2005 around the same time as The Lion, the Witch, & the Wardrobe and it was the Narnia film that actually outgrossed its Harry Potter competition by about $2 million. (I know, it surprised me too.) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2005

Is the mermaid stuff something they added for movie? I just skimmed the Wikipedia article for the book and I didn't see a mention of mermaids anywhere.

There are no mermaids in the On Stranger Tides book. In fact, apart from Blackbeard and the Fountain of Youth, the book & movie versions of On Stranger Tides have fuck-all to do with each other. (AFAIK, Ted Elliot & Terry Rossio were already working on the 4th Pirates of the Caribbean movie script involving Blackbeard & the Fountain of Youth when Disney's legal department noticed a passing similarity with the preexisting Tim Powers novel, so Disney bought the rights and stuck a "Suggested by" or "Inspired by" credit onto the film to avoid lawsuits.)
 
In fairness, Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire came out in late 2005 around the same time as The Lion, the Witch, & the Wardrobe and it was the Narnia film that actually outgrossed its Harry Potter competition by about $2 million. (I know, it surprised me too.) http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2005



Worldwide Box Office figures for The Lion, the witch and the Wardrobe US$745m, Goblet of Fire US$897m

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=harrypotter4.htm

Harry Potter took over US$150m more than Narnia.
 
There are no mermaids in the On Stranger Tides book. In fact, apart from Blackbeard and the Fountain of Youth, the book & movie versions of On Stranger Tides have fuck-all to do with each other. (AFAIK, Ted Elliot & Terry Rossio were already working on the 4th Pirates of the Caribbean movie script involving Blackbeard & the Fountain of Youth when Disney's legal department noticed a passing similarity with the preexisting Tim Powers novel, so Disney bought the rights and stuck a "Suggested by" or "Inspired by" credit onto the film to avoid lawsuits.)
Ah, I wasn't aware of that.
 
Haven't seen Last Stand and not planning to. From everything I've heard I'm better off that way.

Like a lot of the early X-Men movies, The Last Stand is pretty stiff & unimpressive by today's standards. And it does pretty badly botch the Phoenix storyline by shoving it into the background of what is already tied with the original X-Men as the shortest movie of the franchise. But I appreciate the fact that, rather than treading water waiting for the next sequel, it had the guts to try to end everything by killing & de-powering a lot of characters. It's also got a lot of nice moments, like the stuff with Rogue, the bit where Bobby & Kitty go ice skating, and the truly epic deaths of Professor Xavier & Jean Grey.

Worldwide Box Office figures for The Lion, the witch and the Wardrobe US$745m, Goblet of Fire US$897m

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=narnia.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=harrypotter4.htm

Harry Potter took over US$150m more than Narnia.

Ah. I was looking at strictly the domestic box office. Still, considering how quickly the Narnia franchise fell off after the 1st installment, it makes the early success of The Lion, the Witch, & the Wardrobe all the more surprising. Personally, I'm not a fan of the Narnia trilogy. I actually kinda hated The Lion, the Witch, & the Wardrobe, mostly because it focuses on the aspects of Christian theology that I find most confusing. ("You did something bad and deserve to die. But instead we're going to torture & kill this really noble guy who volunteered to take your place, so now it's all good." I'm being overly flippant but I don't understand that central part of the Christ story at all!) Prince Caspian was a marginal improvement since it seemed less overtly religious. I never got around to seeing Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that.

I would definitely recommend that you try reading the On Stranger Tides book. It's vastly superior to the movie, with Blackbeard coming across as a lot scarier and the other characters being very well developed. Also, if you know a little bit about the historical Blackbeard as well as some of his associates like Stede Bonnett & Israel Hands, the novel actually does a good job of not just including them in the story and accurately depicting their known history but also coming up with clever explanations for some of the stuff in the history books that otherwise makes no sense. If only all historical fantasy could be so clever.

And while I like the last couple Pirates of the Caribbean movies to varying degrees, I agree that the initial trilogy of The Curse of the Black Pearl, Dead Man's Chest, & At World's End is one of the most underrated trilogies ever. Yes, At World's End is kinda convoluted & overly long. But the movie works really hard to develop all the characters and justify its massive runtime. And the tragedy of Will & Elizabeth being separated at the end is the sort of thing that you don't see in too many mainstream action blockbusters these days.

Similarly, while the franchise sort of fizzled out in the sequels, I appreciate the fact that Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy gives us the Peter/Mary Jane romance as a solid anchor to revolve the rest of the films around. After all, it's hard to build too much suspense in a superhero movie because we always know that good will triumph in the end; but if Peter & Mary Jane don't get together, it's like the end of the world anyway. So while I think some of the subsequent Spider-Man movies may be better made, they all lack the weight of the Raimi trilogy.
 
^I think it's OK if you don't expect the Phoenix storyline to be very prominent or well-done, if you look at it more as a sequel to/continuation of the first two films than as an adaptation of a great comic book story.
 
I don't particularly want to see a version of the Phoenix storyline that isn't prominent or well-done, given how pivotal it is to the X-Men franchise as a whole.
 
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