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Uncontacted tribe photographed in Brazil

MIB said:
There's a difference between them and modern society. If an unidentified craft enters someones airspace then yes it will likely be intercepted but thats not the same as pointing your guns at it, the plane would be sent to investigate, if it turned out to be an alien craft then I doubt they'd be given the order to shoot and would instead try to make contact.
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I think you've been watching too much Star Trek. What actually would happen would be a freak-out of massive proportions. The aliens have the tech to violate our space with impunity and they have the gall to actually do so. That's how most people in positions of power would view it, in my estimation. Combined with the resource crunch and a more trigger-happy world attitude (Thank you Bush, Blair, and the rest of you twits...) I highly doubt that should the ETs pay us a visit, we'd all lower our guns and sing kumbaya. Millions from the fundies to the power-brokers in our banks and capitol buildings would go nuts over the toppling of the status quo that gives them power and many more would be gearing up to get as much info and tech as possible, focibly if they have to, to use against others.
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I find it ironic that your name is MIB lol

Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
 
Zachary Smith said:
Deimos Anomaly said:
I betcha they don't give a crap about Al Gore and his Inconvenient Fraud either.
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I also bet THEY'RE not still waiting for someone who died 2000 years ago to return from the dead.
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that these people have religion, maybe one like native Americans had or even one that believes in a unitarian god, though probably not Christianity. In any case it's possible that they too are waiting for a savior to return.
 
I am totally disturbed by this news, didn't think there were any such tribes left. Is there such great wilderness left that there can be whole tribes hiding in the forest?
I thought that one of humanity's greatests drives is to be curious and explore. So living thousands of years and not checking out what is beyond your little hut is just disturbing.

Also this hostile tribe on Anandmans has STILL not discovered fire?????
That genepool of theirs is starting to be suspiscious...

Anyway this is all very interesting, I am sure that some insight can be gained for Fermi's Paradox and Potential Alien FC by studying these ''human'' anomalies.
 
From what I'm able to glean from the assorted articles in the media and net..it appears that the Brazilian government will decide what form of contact this tribe will have with the outside world..in the past contact was initiated by neighboring tribes introducing "civilized men" to the tribal elders..the problem is the current exploitation of the Amazon by uncontrolled companies due to of the corruption in Brazil.. I'm rather worried about the chances of long term survival for this tribe and it's culture.. I hope that the international community will be able to protect them as they are until proper contact is initiated..and the contact is limited until they have been properly prepared (medically and emotionally) for the modern world...


but I remain pessimistic...
 
goldbug said:
I hope that the international community will be able to protect them as they are until proper contact is initiated..and the contact is limited until they have been properly prepared (medically and emotionally) for the modern world...
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Somedays I'M not medically and emotionally prepared for the modern world . . .
 
zephramc said:
I'll bet dollars to donuts that these people have religion, maybe one like native Americans had or even one that believes in a unitarian god, though probably not Christianity. In any case it's possible that they too are waiting for a savior to return.
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While that is possible, I think it's probably much more likely that the tribes of this remote corner of the Amazon basin (also Native Americans, technically, though I understand what you meant) are mostly animal- and earth-spirit worshipers (sun, moon, water, tree, etc.) in some combination or other.
 
If they have that kinda religion I wonder if they also worship planes. No not the low flying light aircraft these pics were taken from, but airliners traversing across the sky at 35,000 feet with a long white contrail behind them. They'd seem possibly a natural part of the sky to these people, who have no idea what they are, where they come from or where they go.

Also artificial satellites. You can see sats with the naked eye quite commonly at night, when the sun catches them... they look like a star making its way across the sky through the background of unmoving (to the eye during a minute or two timeframe) stars. It's weird to think these people might even have some whole superstition system built up around the ISS or some random weather sats or whatever. I wouldn't say legends exactly, since the space age hasn't been around long enough for that, but certainly superstitions.
 
Fire said:
The problem with tribes like these is that they're so primitive and zero educated that they'll be nothing but savages. Tribes like these should be located, contacted and forced to be integrated into modern society.
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These people have been living there for maybe 10,000 years. They have everything they need right where they are. As soon as you "integrate" (and we all know how western society treats the poorer end of it's spectrum) them into our "civilised" society, they'll have nothing, and will probably wind up living off hand-outs - assuming they survive the 50% of catching malaria and dying.

So what if they are "savages?" They've successfully avoided "civilisation" for this long, it's only gun-toting loggers and miners shooting at them that will bring about an aggressive response.

They are fine as they are, and certainly don't need your kind of "help."
 
Deimos Anomaly said:
If they have that kinda religion I wonder if they also worship planes. No not the low flying light aircraft these pics were taken from, but airliners traversing across the sky at 35,000 feet with a long white contrail behind them. They'd seem possibly a natural part of the sky to these people, who have no idea what they are, where they come from or where they go.
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Entirely possible, presuming that they're situated underneath corridors for regular air travel.

Also artificial satellites. You can see sats with the naked eye quite commonly at night, when the sun catches them... they look like a star making its way across the sky through the background of unmoving (to the eye during a minute or two timeframe) stars. It's weird to think these people might even have some whole superstition system built up around the ISS or some random weather sats or whatever. I wouldn't say legends exactly, since the space age hasn't been around long enough for that, but certainly superstitions.
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Any of these also are quite possible, but I wouldn't want to speculate without a lot more information and research about which ones or how they might explain them in the context of their culture. However, because the way of life and world-view of these people would be irrevocably altered by any attempt to gather such information or perform such research, I suspect we may never know with any certainty.

Those tribes which have had some contact with outsiders (during wartime, for example) have been known to form cultural frameworks around events and objects associated with them.

See: Cargo cults, John Frum, and others
 
zephramc said:
It's interesting that there's seemingly been no technological progress for these people for probably 10,000 years. Their bows for instance, are very much like the ones their ancestors (and our's used) thousands of years ago. One would think that at somepoint one of their people would have come to the conclusion (either on purpose or by accident) that the recurve bow is a superior weapon/tool than their normal longbow.
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There's a reason they say 'neccessity is the mother of invention'. These people still use the same tools because they work for them and allow the Tribe to survive in the surrounding enviroment. The other saying to keep in mind: 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' ;)
 
I am a bit creeped out by the number of folks talking about forced integration or introduction of the “truth” and “superiority” of the “outside” world to these people – it sounds all too familiar as the rallying cry of Islamic Jihadists and cultural imperialists.

These people pose no threat to the outside world, nor do they seem inclined to be part and participant in it. Let them be. If they want contact they will seek it out. If they do not, which seems to be the case, there is no reason for any intervention whether born of ill or good will. To do otherwise will edify them or us in what way, and, as so well stated by StolenThunder, can only come to an unhappy end far all.

The one thing that is really ironic is the statement in the “location” area of the most vocal proponent of converting these “primitives” to our ways . . . please, do tell how forcing a group of people to integrate into YOUR ideal supports any concept of freedom.

On a lighter note, I can't help but be reminded of the old Andrews Sisters' song, "Civilization".
 
Zachary Smith said:
Deimos Anomaly said:
I betcha they don't give a crap about Al Gore and his Inconvenient Fraud either.
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I also bet THEY'RE not still waiting for someone who died 2000 years ago to return from the dead.
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Let's just put a stop sign on this particular flavor of thread diversion, shall we?

Whether or not the tribe might still ascribe to a theistic belief structure is one thing, perfectly justifiable discussion, however lobbing religious and/or political insults is something entirely different.
 
I vote we build a huge wall around them, giving them room to expand of course, and sit back and watch them evolve and grow. We'd learn loads about humans!
 
ex nihilo said:
I am a bit creeped out by the number of folks talking about forced integration or introduction of the “truth” and “superiority” of the “outside” world to these people – it sounds all too familiar as the rallying cry of Islamic Jihadists and cultural imperialists
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Without meaning it to sound demeaning, I thought about treating them as you would a rare animal and declare the land they live on a site of special scientific interest or reserve and leave them the fuck alone.
 
In effect, that's what some people are trying to do. Otherwise, these people are eventually going to be pushed out by grass fires and bulldozers and tree cutters.
 
The Squire of Gothos said:
ex nihilo said:
I am a bit creeped out by the number of folks talking about forced integration or introduction of the “truth” and “superiority” of the “outside” world to these people – it sounds all too familiar as the rallying cry of Islamic Jihadists and cultural imperialists
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Without meaning it to sound demeaning, I thought about treating them as you would a rare animal and declare the land they live on a site of special scientific interest or reserve and leave them the fuck alone.
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I could not agree with you more.

The selfish nature of "modernized" man will more than likely, if this is not done, result in the destruction of these rare individuals (as FordSVT suggests in the following post).
 
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