Uhura's memory wipe

[Albertese]

cool.

 

[Henoch]

I gave up on Stardate order pretty quickly when I saw that "Amok Time" took place on Stardate 3372.7 and the next episode that came up in Stardate order was "This Side of Paradise" on Stardate 3317.3.

Typo: 3417.3. It is odd that both Spock-centric episodes end up only one or two weeks apart by Stardate order with Amok Time coming first. I just roll with it.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Typo: 3417.3. It is odd that both Spock-centric episodes end up only one or two weeks apart by Stardate order with Amok Time coming first. I just roll with it.

Thanks, that's exactly what it was. Corrected. For my money, having them that close to each other dilutes each episode a fair amount, but if it works for you, great.

 

[Albertese]

..... For my money, having them that close to each other dilutes each episode a fair amount, but if it works for you, great.

Typo: 3417.3. It is odd that both Spock-centric episodes end up only one or two weeks apart by Stardate order with Amok Time coming first. I just roll with it.

It works for me in a big way. In "Amok Time" we see Spock going through the pon-farr and everything going to hell on that front. It's clearly a big deal, no doubt even in Spock's own head. Sure, he was hoping that maybe his mixed heritage would mean he would be spared the worst of it, but boy howdy, he sure wasn't! We see over and over that Spock has to work hard at suppressing his emotions, so it makes all the sense in the world to me that on his next adventure, two or three weeks later, he meets an old interest who he would ordinarily repress his attraction to, but then gets drunk on spores and really goes for it. No doubt the experience aids his human half in getting past the whole T'Pring episode.

Of course though, TOS has three different viewing orders and people can have varying views of the importance of continuity, so you are free to view these stories in whatever light you prefer. I mostly just love that we can all get together, perhaps over a couple beers, and have a friendly discussion about nerdy things that don't amount to a hill of beans.

--Alex

 

[Timo]

The sheer serendipity of these semi-random stardates turning continuity errors into seeming continuity efforts made me an instant convert to the Church of Stardate Order once I got my first Chronology (I only got the Concordance afterwards). We now have Chekov on board before "Space Seed", can put three years between "Errand of Mercy" and "Day of the Dove" all right, can place Kirk's two visits to SB11 in proper context, and the three seasons are spread across the five years of the mission... Possibly even with the TAS adventures sprinkled in between.

The whole deal with Uhura potentially recuperating after "The Changeling" is just another nail I'm happy to hammer wherever, including but not limited to coffins. I just like the pleasant thudding of stardates falling in place...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JonnyQuest037]

It works for me in a big way. In "Amok Time" we see Spock going through the pon-farr and everything going to hell on that front. It's clearly a big deal, no doubt even in Spock's own head. Sure, he was hoping that maybe his mixed heritage would mean he would be spared the worst of it, but boy howdy, he sure wasn't! We see over and over that Spock has to work hard at suppressing his emotions, so it makes all the sense in the world to me that on his next adventure, two or three weeks later, he meets an old interest who he would ordinarily repress his attraction to, but then gets drunk on spores and really goes for it. No doubt the experience aids his human half in getting past the whole T'Pring episode.

I see what you're saying, but for me it falls apart since neither Kirk nor McCoy ever once asks the obvious question, "...Hey, could this maybe be a residual thing from Spock's Pon Farr a few weeks ago?" Which is of course impossible for them to ask, since "Amok Time" hadn't been made yet. That's not a problem I ever have with production order.

I mostly just love that we can all get together, perhaps over a couple beers, and have a friendly discussion about nerdy things that don't amount to a hill of beans.

100% agreed with you there. I can debate about trivial stuff until the cows come home. With more serious & important subjects that people get more passionate/intense about, I punch out quickly.

We now have Chekov on board before "Space Seed", can put three years between "Errand of Mercy" and "Day of the Dove" all right

I've got both of those happening in my ST Timeline, which follows production order. Easy enough to say that Chekov was just assigned to another part of the ship, most likely Engineering, in order for him to be there for Khan's takeover of the ship in "Space Seed." But I also liked @Greg Cox's concept of Chekov being one of the Enterprise security guards who beamed down to Ceti Alpha V when Khan was first being dropped off there. Either of those work for me.

can place Kirk's two visits to SB11 in proper context

This is a place where'd I'd like to get those two episodes a bit further apart from each other. I have "Court Martial" happening in Feb. 2267 and "The Menagerie" in March 2267. Allowing a three-month gap to occur before "Shore Leave" (SPOCK: "After what this ship has been through in the last three months, there is not a crewman aboard who is not in need of rest. Myself excepted, of course.") forced me to place "Shore Leave" in June and "Menagerie" in March. The rest of 2267 is fairly packed, as I try not to have more than 3 or 4 episodes occur in any single month.

2269 & 2270, I'm still figuring out how to assign the months. That requires me to rewatch more of the third season than I typically choose to.

It's too bad that "The Doomsday Machine" comes before "The Changeling" in production order, though. Uhura's brain injury would be the perfect explanation for her being missing in TDM.

and the three seasons are spread across the five years of the mission...

I accomplished that just fine using production order, too. The three year gap between "Errand of Mercy" and "Day of the Dove" was the key.

Possibly even with the TAS adventures sprinkled in between.

If I ever definitively place TAS into my timeline, this will probably be the way I do it. But since most of TAS' Stardates occur after TOS, they'd still mostly be at the end. And there's no way that "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" takes place before WNMHGB, no matter what the Stardates say. YMMV.

 

[Albertese]

I see what you're saying, but for me it falls apart since neither Kirk nor McCoy ever once asks the obvious question, "...Hey, could this maybe be a residual thing from Spock's Pon Farr a few weeks ago?" Which is of course impossible for them to ask, since "Amok Time" hadn't been made yet. That's not a problem I ever have with production order.

They might have off camera. Who's to say?

.....
This is a place where'd I'd like to get those two episodes a bit further apart from each other. I have "Court Martial" happening in Feb. 2267 and "The Menagerie" in March 2267. Allowing a three-month gap to occur before "Shore Leave" (SPOCK: "After what this ship has been through in the last three months, there is not a crewman aboard who is not in need of rest. Myself excepted, of course.") forced me to place "Shore Leave" in June and "Menagerie" in March. The rest of 2267 is fairly packed, as I try not to have more than 3 or 4 episodes occur in any single month.

Why is there a need for a three month gap to accommodate Spock's line? Why can't the adventures of the last three months have been stress inducing enough to make the crew need a break?

I have "Shore Leave" on 19 April 2268. Preceded earlier in the month by "Catspaw," and "The Menagerie" before that, "Court Martial" in March, "Galileo Seven" and "The Conscience of the King" before that in February, and nothing late that January.* A three month period where a beloved crewman (Riley) is nearly murdered, and a famous actor actually is murdered in front of the whole crew, a shuttle is nearly lost with the XO, CMO, and CEO aboard and comes back with fewer guys, both the CO and XO are the subject of back-to-back legal proceedings and crewman Jackson dies a spooky death while our heroes have to endure a terrible Halloween episode and watch little puppets die. You're telling me these guys don't need a break?!?!

If I ever definitively place TAS into my timeline, this will probably be the way I do it. But since most of TAS' Stardates occur after TOS, they'd still mostly be at the end. And there's no way that "The Magicks of Megas-Tu" takes place before WNMHGB, no matter what the Stardates say. YMMV.

Firstly, there are only five TAS episodes that post-date all the live action shows. The rest are already sprinkled in pretty liberally with the others by strict stardate order. Though I totally agree with you about "Magicks." My thoughts there are to either 1) say that the weird science effects on reality experienced during that episode screwed with either the clocks, or Kirk's perception of time, or else 2) just excise that story from the series. Chalk the whole thing up as a mistake and ignore it.


--Alex
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*Though early that January is a mess. "What Are Little Girls Made Of," "Miri," and "Dagger of the Mind" all take place basically on the same day.... as I said, this is still a work in progress...

 

[Timo]

OTOH, there's the thing about the fifth digit. If we go by thousand units per season, the whole three-seasons-cover-five-years thing, we accept that there's a SD 1254 every ten years. Possibly "Magicks" would come several years after the 7000-range TAS adventures, while TMP would come a full decade after them (the later, the better)?

Then again, Kirk did claim he was "out there" for five years, not ten. I'd minimize his space activities any way I can, hopefully making him all the greater a hero...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[johnnybear]

I gave up on Stardate order pretty quickly when I saw that "Amok Time" took place on Stardate 3372.7 and the next episode that came up in Stardate order was "This Side of Paradise" on Stardate 3417.3. Since both of those episodes depend upon "Why is Spock acting so emotional?" as story hooks, I decided it was best to keep them as far apart as possible. And since the precise numbers were fairly arbitrary, I thought it was kind of silly to have them determine the episode order.

I sort of disagree there as both episodes are linked by stardates and the mentioning and later appearance of Admiral Komack of Starfleet!
JB

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Why is there a need for a three month gap to accommodate Spock's line? Why can't the adventures of the last three months have been stress inducing enough to make the crew need a break?

In the final draft script by Theodore Sturgeon, the Enterprise is coming off "the Treblenk mission." I hate the name, but I find the concept of the Enterprise going on an extra stressful three-month mission that we never saw an intriguing one.

I have "Shore Leave" on 19 April 2268.

How are you arriving at specific calendar dates? Do you have a consistent methodology that you use?

You're telling me these guys don't need a break?!?!

Nope. I'm just telling you that I did it differently than you in my timeline.

"Catspaw" occurring before "Court Martial", "The Menagerie", "Galileo Seven", and "Conscience of the King" is just bizarre to me, though. I don't see myself ever getting on board with any episode order that mixes seasons up like that. For one thing, how do you explain the design of the Engine Room constantly going back & forth? Multiple Engine Rooms throughout the ship? The nice thing about production order is you don't have to worry about that. The rooms of the Enterprise evolve just as the sets did in real life, not to mention the hairstyles, the costumes, and the characterizations.

Firstly, there are only five TAS episodes that post-date all the live action shows.

Okay. I never particularly cared enough about TAS to study the Stardates that extensively. I just remembered a lot in the 5000-7000 range, and I didn't care enough to double check and make a count.

or else 2) just excise that story from the series. Chalk the whole thing up as a mistake and ignore it.

Pretty much what I'm doing to TAS in its entirety right now!

There are some backstory elements of TAS that I like ("Yesteryear", Robert April, Joanna McCoy) but overall, I consider the series to be pretty mediocre, not terribly compatible style-wise with TOS, & hardly worth the effort to incorporate fully into my timeline. If I end up with extra room in 2270, maybe, but it's pretty doubtful at this point.

OTOH, there's the thing about the fifth digit. If we go by thousand units per season, the whole three-seasons-cover-five-years thing, we accept that there's a SD 1254 every ten years.

Pretty much what I assume. At least in the TOS era, I'm assuming that Stardates "reset" about once a decade. But Stardates are so damn arbitrary that you can't determine much besides the broad strokes of continuity with them, IMO. The writers on TOS never took them particularly seriously, so I don't see why I should.

I sort of disagree there as both episodes are linked by stardates...

I don't see any two episodes of Star Trek as being "linked" by Stardates, unless we're talking about a two-parter. YMMV.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Not that we're voting, but in my view production order (live action filming dates, not visual fx or music) is the closest thing we have to an order in which the story events occurred in TOS.

 

[johnnybear]

I wouldn't want TAS and TOS converging in my rewatch to be honest either!
JB

 

[johnnybear]

Of course though, TOS has three different viewing orders and people can have varying views of the importance of continuity, so you are free to view these stories in whatever light you prefer.

Four, you forgot the BBC order!!!
JB

 

[Henoch]

*Though early that January is a mess. "What Are Little Girls Made Of," "Miri," and "Dagger of the Mind" all take place basically on the same day.... as I said, this is still a work in progress...

I have Christmas on ~Stardate 2623.0 (based on Thanksgiving on ~Stardate 1535 in Charlie X), and January 1 on ~ Stardate 2642. The close Stardates for those three episodes I chalk up to Kirk recording the mission logs back-to-back for WALGMO and MIRI after their events, and right before DOTM. All occur in January with WALGMO starting ~2664, MIRI starting ~2682 and ending ~2702 (7 days pass in the episode), and DOTM starting as given in the log on 2715.1. YMMV .

 

[Albertese]

In the final draft script by Theodore Sturgeon, the Enterprise is coming off "the Treblenk mission." I hate the name, but I find the concept of the Enterprise going on an extra stressful three-month mission that we never saw an intriguing one.

Never made it on screen means it falls out of the circumference of binding data that I'm holding to.

How are you arriving at specific calendar dates? Do you have a consistent methodology that you use?

I do! My calendar dates are based on two premises:

1) A stardate is an eight hour duty shift at Star Fleet HQ on Earth, and is a timescale that is kept in synchronicity throughout all Starfleet (and by extension civilian) space-going entities, so that a common means of tracking time is practicable for scheduling rendezvous and other various time-related tracking needs in spite of the effects of local relativity. This provides the scale.

2) In "Charlie X" when Kirk says "On Earth today it's Thanksgiving. If the crew has to eat synthetic meatloaf I want it to at least look like turkey," it was the morning of Thursday, November 29, 2266 on stardate 1533. The provides the anchor.

So using the scale of 1/3 of a calendar day per stardate and nailing down only one fixed point of Gregorian date with stardate, it's a fairly simple matter to extrapolate where all the other dates will lie.

So why do I say a stardate is 8 hours? Well, what else could it be? It cannot be equal to a 24 hour day because then Kirk's five year mission lasted nearly thirteen years. It could be 1000 stardates equals 365.25 days ( a solar year) but why would it? What advantage or usefulness would that be? If stardates are a tool for coordinating fleet activity, then it would make sense for the HQ to be where the system makes the most sense, as that's the main fixed location in the command structure. And having stardates tick off shifts would be a handy way to deal with it at HQ. And with eight hour stardates, 1000 stardates comes to about eleven months, so it's near enough to a year to still fit that expectation.

For the record, I have no interest at all of trying to jam in the TNG+ numbers in to this scheme. They're doing their own thing. This only has to work for TOS.

.... how do you explain the design of the Engine Room constantly going back & forth? Multiple Engine Rooms throughout the ship?

I'm quite comfortable with multiple engine rooms. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms!

I have Christmas on ~Stardate 2623.0 (based on Thanksgiving on ~Stardate 1535 in Charlie X), and January 1 on ~ Stardate 2642. The close Stardates for those three episodes I chalk up to Kirk recording the mission logs back-to-back for WALGMO and MIRI after their events, and right before DOTM. All occur in January with WALGMO starting ~2664, MIRI starting ~2682 and ending ~2702 (7 days pass in the episode), and DOTM starting as given in the log on 2715.1. YMMV .

This is a great justification, and I'll be executing something similar. After all, December 2267 is pretty empty. And, just for funsies, if "Dagger of the Mind" is indeed on January 7, then the Science Lab Christmas party was likely just a couple weeks earlier.

Four, you forgot the BBC order!!!
JB

How silly of me!

--Alex

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Never made it on screen means it falls out of the circumference of binding data that I'm holding to.

Well, except for Spock saying, "Doctor McCoy is correct, Captain. After what this ship has been through in the last three months, there is not a crewman aboard who is not in need of rest. Myself excepted, of course," early in the episode.

Creator intent counts for a fair amount with me. That's how I arrived at Kirk turning 49 in TWOK, Saavik being half Vulcan & half Romulan, Kirk flirting with Helen Noel at the Enterprise Christmas party because he mistook her for a passenger, and several other things that have helped me make more sense of the ST Universe.

Knowing the original intent, and factoring in the phrasing of the line, makes me think that Spock is referring to one mission or adventure that took an unusually long amount of time. But there's certainly room for interpretation there.

1) A stardate is an eight hour duty shift at Star Fleet HQ on Earth, and is a timescale that is kept in synchronicity throughout all Starfleet (and by extension civilian) space-going entities, so that a common means of tracking time is practicable for scheduling rendezvous and other various time-related tracking needs in spite of the effects of local relativity. This provides the scale.

Cool conjecture! That concept definitely makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I want to do that much extensive math to work out each calendar date, but I like the concept. I doubt it would work very well with a production order timeline, anyway.

And to clarify, when you say "a Stardate", you mean the digit after the decimal point, right?

2) In "Charlie X" when Kirk says "On Earth today it's Thanksgiving. If the crew has to eat synthetic meatloaf I want it to at least look like turkey," it was the morning of Thursday, November 29, 2266 on stardate 1533. The provides the anchor.

As I have "Charlie X" taking place in 2265, it's Thursday, November 23, 2265 for me.

If stardates are a tool for coordinating fleet activity, then it would make sense for the HQ to be where the system makes the most sense, as that's the main fixed location in the command structure. And having stardates tick off shifts would be a handy way to deal with it at HQ. And with eight hour stardates, 1000 stardates comes to about eleven months, so it's near enough to a year to still fit that expectation.

Hmm... More than 11 months or slightly less than 11 months?

For the record, I have no interest at all of trying to jam in the TNG+ numbers in to this scheme. They're doing their own thing. This only has to work for TOS.

I'm pretty much the same. Stardates obviously work slightly differently in the TNG era. On my timeline, I just have the 24th Century in broad strokes, covering really significant episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprse" or "The Best of Both Worlds" and the episodes that touch on the 23rd Century in some way, like "Sarek," "Unification", "Relics", "Blood Oath", "Trials and Tribble-ations", and the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes. I may stick in people's Academy entrances and graduations, but that'll be about it.

Because honestly, I don't have as much interest in the 24th Century as I do the TOS era, and my version of a TNG/DS9/VOY timeline wouldn't look terribly different from the Okuda timeline. So no point in wasting the time & effort on it.

 

[Timo]

I'm sure the approximately eight-hour stardate is a Starfleet plot. "Oh, and the duty shifts will be the standard eight hours, that is, point one stardate. Of course, the length of the stardate may vary a bit along the mission, but it averages out as eight hours during the thousand-unit year. Trust us. Why wouldn't you?"

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Albertese]

Well, except for Spock saying, "Doctor McCoy is correct, Captain. After what this ship has been through in the last three months, there is not a crewman aboard who is not in need of rest. Myself excepted, of course," early in the episode.

LOL... I'm sure by your smiley face that we both know I was referring to the Trebleck Mission specifically...

Creator intent counts for a fair amount with me. That's how I arrived at Kirk turning 49 in TWOK, Saavik being half Vulcan & half Romulan, Kirk flirting with Helen Noel at the Enterprise Christmas party because he mistook her for a passenger, and several other things that have helped me make more sense of the ST Universe.

I think creator intent can be useful for adding color. I'm not above considering such things myself, though I rank it as something like gamma-grade canon. I am usually a believer in the "death of the author" school of literary criticism.

....
Cool conjecture! That concept definitely makes a lot of sense. I don't know if I want to do that much extensive math to work out each calendar date, but I like the concept. I doubt it would work very well with a production order timeline, anyway.

Thanks! And you're correct, it doesn't line up well with production order. Although the Okuda Chronology does follow production order for TOS (Though air date order for the other shows) so that should be a useful reference for you.

And to clarify, when you say "a Stardate", you mean the digit after the decimal point, right?

I do not! A stardate runs from 1000.0 to 1001.0. The post-decimal values further divide a given stardate into chunks as needed. It's basically a decimal time scale where the base unit is an eight hour shift. So 1000.5 is four hours into a duty shift on Earth. If we consider a whole 24-hour day then start with 1000.0 as midnight, then 1001.5 is noon of that same day and 1003.0 is midnight again. 1000.1 to 1000.2 is 48 minutes.

But recall that all of this is how it runs in San Francisco at Star Fleet HQ in the Pacific Time Zone on Earth. On board ships and elsewhere in the galaxy, thanks to local time dilation experienced all over the place, the passage of stardates in neat eight hour chunks will be rare and the current stardate will probably feel somewhat arbitrary. The computer will tell you the current stardate, which adjusts itself relative to your local time dilation to exactly match the stardate clock in San Francisco. You might be in a place where a stardate runs for six and half hours or ten hours and fifteen minutes. It might be eight hours and twelve minutes today, but seven hours on the button tomorrow because we flew at high impulse for the better part of the day. It could seem quite variable away from Earth, so the takeaway should be that the stardates as expressed on the show aren't going to neatly adhere to this proportion.*

As I have "Charlie X" taking place in 2265, it's Thursday, November 23, 2265 for me.

I placed it in 2266 as a nod to the Okuda Chronology. By happy coincidence, it also allowed all the episodes (of TOS at least, there are a handful of TAS stragglers) to end by December of 2270 and agree with the relevant line in Voyager about the end of the five-year mission. Though moving it to 2265 would allow those TAS episodes to fall in 2270. Something to consider...

Hmm... More than 11 months or slightly less than 11 months?

With eight hour stardates, then a thousand stardates is 8,000 hours. 8,000 hours divided by 24 hours in a day gives you 333 1/3 days. So if you arbitrarily start stardate 1000.0 at the stroke of New Year's Day, then stardate 2000.0 is at 08:00 on the morning of the 334th day of the year, which is November 30. So....about eleven months. Short by sixteen hours.

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Because honestly, I don't have as much interest in the 24th Century as I do the TOS era, and my version of a TNG/DS9/VOY timeline wouldn't look terribly different from the Okuda timeline. So no point in wasting the time & effort on it.

You and me both, sir! Besides, the keepers of stardates during the Berman years did a pretty consistent job in those days. The TOS stardates are a far more interesting puzzle to sort through!

--Alex


P.S. Don't get me started on stardates in JJ's films! That's a totally different thing!

_________
*I don't actually know the math on how to calculate the effects of time dilation, and i assume my numbers are wildly bigger than realistic dilation would be, but I honestly don't know.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Although the Okuda Chronology does follow production order for TOS (Though air date order for the other shows) so that should be a useful reference for you.

Well... Yes and no. A lot of what motivated me to begin my own ST Chronology was the issues I had with the Okuda Chronology. Although I think it's an amazing piece of work overall, I disagree with several of their conclusions during the TOS era. Stuff like Kirk graduating the Academy as a Lieutenant, and it being 18 years between "Space Seed" and TWOK instead of 15. Stuff like that. And there were a few too many times where I thought they had information from TNG overwrite stuff that had been established on TOS, instead of vice versa.

So I decided to see if I could do a Timeline that could still work with the Okuda Chronology in the broad strokes, but present a more logical look at the TOS era. But I still view my Chronology as a supplement to theirs.

A stardate runs from 1000.0 to 1001.0. The post-decimal values further divide a given stardate into chunks as needed. It's basically a decimal time scale where the base unit is an eight hour shift. So 1000.5 is four hours into a duty shift on Earth. If we consider a whole 24-hour day then start with 1000.0 as midnight, then 1001.5 is noon of that same day and 1003.0 is midnight again.

Okay, cool. Thanks for explaining further. As I'm sure you know, they explained in the TOS Writer's Guide that a Stardate like 1000.5 would generally fall around noon of that day.

But recall that all of this is how it runs in San Francisco at Star Fleet HQ in the Pacific Time Zone on Earth. On board ships and elsewhere in the galaxy, thanks to local time dilation experienced all over the place, the passage of stardates in neat eight hour chunks will be rare and the current stardate will probably feel somewhat arbitrary.

Ah! So you're allowing yourself the same "time dilation" leeway that Roddenberry allowed for himself and his writers. Cool.

I placed it in 2266 as a nod to the Okuda Chronology.

I decided to back things up to 2265 to allow as much time to fit in the 5TM as possible. I don't subscribe to the theory that an entire year of adventures elapsed before "Where No Man Had Gone Before', as I think that takes a lot of the heart out of Kirk and Spock getting to know each other over those early episodes. So I have the Enterprise launching on April 29, 2265, WNM happening in May, and approximately one adventure a month for the rest of 2265.

I'll still have the 5YM ending in 2270 (not exactly sure by which month yet, though right now I'm leaning towards May if I can fit everything in. I'm trying to avoid having more than three missions in a month). That still equals five years of mission time if you count it as YEAR ONE: 2265-2266, YEAR TWO: 2266-2267, YEAR THREE: 2267-2268, YEAR FOUR: 2268-2269, and YEAR FIVE: 2269-2270.

A tricky thing I'm trying to decide right now is if Kirk's line about arranging for the Enterprise to be at the new Fabrini homeworld in "approximately 390 days" means that the Enterprise was still more than a year away from the end of the 5YM or not. If you do that, it pushes "For The World is Hollow..." back to 2269 at the latest, and that kind of screws up other things for me, especially when you have to leave in a 60-day window open for "The Paradise Syndrome" to occur.

By happy coincidence, it also allowed all the episodes (of TOS at least, there are a handful of TAS stragglers) to end by December of 2270 and agree with the relevant line in Voyager about the end of the five-year mission. Though moving it to 2265 would allow those TAS episodes to fall in 2270. Something to consider...

Yeah, finding room for those 20-something animated adventures is the tough thing for me, and frankly, I'm not sure if I like the show enough to make the effort. Too many of them are either disappointing sequels/retreads to TOS episodes like "Shore Leave", "I, Mudd", or "Tribbles", or they're overly kiddie style adventures that we've seen in a million other cartoons, like "Everyone on the Enterprise shrinks!" or "Everyone starts aging in reverse!" YMMV, of course.

With eight hour stardates, then a thousand stardates is 8,000 hours. 8,000 hours divided by 24 hours in a day gives you 333 1/3 days. So if you arbitrarily start stardate 1000.0 at the stroke of New Year's Day, then stardate 2000.0 is at 08:00 on the morning of the 334th day of the year, which is November 30. So....about eleven months. Short by sixteen hours.

Gotcha. That's not bad.

You and me both, sir! Besides, the keepers of stardates during the Berman years did a pretty consistent job in those days. The TOS stardates are a far more interesting puzzle to sort through!

Yes, exactly! Doing a TNG or DS9 timeline is not much of challenge. A TOS timeline is.

P.S. Don't get me started on stardates in JJ's films! That's a totally different thing!

They are, but at least they're easy to understand. I don't find them interesting, but they're easy to understand.

 

[Timo]

...I wouldn't go that far. What does ".04" mean? Is it the fourth day of the year, or the fortieth? We then get ".42", which rather suggests it's not the 420th day of the year - but how do you then indicate days of the year after the 99th?

We apparently have to think that 100 hundredths of a stardate amount to 365 days, which makes day-to-day usage of the system a real chore. No wonder Kirk chokes when stranded on Delta Vega!

Timo Saloniemi