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U.S.S. TITAN -- THE WINNER!

Can we have an addition to the FAQ that explains why non-fiction Trek isn't profitable to Pocket... these arguments are getting as bad as arguments about canon.



Anyone want to get back to talking about USS Titan?
 
The FAQ has proven to be utterly useless in deterring repetitive, tiresome arguments, as this thread is proving rather handily...
 
KRAD said:
Or is there some other interpretation of this which I'm missing?
Several, in fact.

Something to keep in mind is that one of the things a new reference book would have to do is be different from all the other reference books out there.
Agreed. In fact, that's part of why I was suggesting a Luna-class manual. This would be something totally new. It would have the benefit of total novelty, yet have an air of "official-ness."
There are a lot of them, and most of them were produced at a time when the franchise had a lot more mainstream popularity, when millions and millions and millions of people were watching Trek every week, when every two years brought a successful new Trek movie.
True enough... part of why I was saying that anything done would have to be not only well-executed and interesting, but also original (ie, not a rehash).
The current marketplace has to contend with competition from itself, in essence, as well as the competition from the Internet that TerriO mentioned.
This is the only really legit argument I've heard... and again, the "Titan" tech manual would avoid this pitfall, I think.
Besides those factors there's, again, the huge expense of producing a glossy book.
Ah, but why does it have to be an entirely glossy book? Shane Johnson's "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise" wasn't glossy. That's the book I'd suggest using as a basis for this... with a glossy outside and maybe a full-color "center section."
Not sure why I'm bothering to repeat myself, since I keep making the same points over and over again and they keep being ignored.....
Actually, this is your second post in this exchange that I've looked at and seen as being very well-stated and reasonable. I don't ignore reasonable statements and reasoned arguments.
 
Cary L. Brown said:
In fact, that's part of why I was suggesting a Luna-class manual. This would be something totally new. It would have the benefit of total novelty, yet have an air of "official-ness."

How much of it would be new? I would think that pretty much everything that could go into such a book would've already been covered in the TNG:TM and DS9:TM.
 
NEGATIVITY...

"It can't be done."
"It's not practical."
"The market isn't there."
"How much of it would be new?"

C'mon... isn't there anyone in this entire forum who looks at the POSITIVE SIDE OF THINGS? The OPPORTUNITY?

I was proposing something positive. I've been greeted with almost universal attacks.

I still think it would be a great idea. I think that the fan base would be receptive to it. I think that it could be done in a cost-effective manner and still have it be an INTERESTING read, with quality CONTENT (notice I didn't say "quality paper" which is an entirely different thing). I think that if it were done right, it would be able to make a nice profit too.

But I'm apparently alone in thinking that this is the case, at least among the people who "hang out" in the Trek publishing forums.

"Always with you, it cannot be done..." (sigh)
 
Cary L. Brown said:
C'mon... isn't there anyone in this entire forum who looks at the POSITIVE SIDE OF THINGS? The OPPORTUNITY?

I was proposing something positive. I've been greeted with almost universal attacks.

Cary, I'll be the first to agree with you that there may be too much negative on this BBS. Nonetheless, there's a difference between saying "It'd be cool if they do this..." and "This absolutely should do this, it will make money." I could propose a new Trek series, that has a lot of opportunity (and like many other posters here, I've got a bag full of ideas). But would that proposed series actually be able to make money? Unfortunately, probably not. I'd love to think it would, but realistically speaking, it's unlikely. And I've expressed repeatedly that I love the Titan design, and that it'd be fantastic to have a fold-out poster in Titan 4, or have Titan appear in the Ships of the Line calendar in '07 or '08, so I think it'd be cool to have a Titan tech manual, but, to be honest, I'm almost positive I wouldn't buy it. So I can understand both sides of this argument.
But I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe people would be more positive about your idea of you were treating it more like a wish or a friendly suggestion, and not as much like something that they are blind fools for not doing. :)
 
I'm doing my part by just trying to get them to put it in the 07 or 08 Ships
of the Line. Anything else would be just Icing on the cellular peptide (Sp Sorry) cake so to speak. :confused:
 
Cary L. Brown said:
I was proposing something positive. I've been greeted with almost universal attacks.

If I'm negative about anything, it's this sort of thing. People are disagreeing with you, providing observations based on their professional experience and perspective, and the world in which they're required to operate. Are a few ires being raised? Yes, but look back at some of your past postings and tell me with a straight face that at least some of it isn't unwarranted.

You may well be proposing something positive, but your sales pitch, to be blunt, sucks ass. If you honestly believe you're going to make any sort of headway with this or any other proposal you hope to offer by telling people -- the very people, in fact, who would be responsible for shepherding your dream project from concept to finished product -- that they don't know what they're talking about, then you might want to take a step back and reevaluate your approach.

I'm just sayin'.

I still think it would be a great idea. I think that the fan base would be receptive to it. I think that it could be done in a cost-effective manner and still have it be an INTERESTING read, with quality CONTENT (notice I didn't say "quality paper" which is an entirely different thing). I think that if it were done right, it would be able to make a nice profit too.

And while you (and I, for that matter) are free to make those statements and predictions without actually having to answer to people who foot the bill for such things, people who do this for a living continue to tell you that based on the information at their disposal, the climate currently isn't conducive to such an endeavor. That doesn't mean it'll never happen; it only means that it probably won't happen in the near term.

I know from past experience that at least a couple of the editors have performed investigation into how alternative methods of providing this type of material might work, in a format that will appeal to fans as well as being made available at a reasonable price. I've taken part in some of those discussions, which have run the gamut from heartening to exciting to frustrating to disappointing and everything in between. Therefore, I know the topic isn't dead, it just continues to face a long, uphill battle.

Regardless, I believe the Master Ride Pimper(tm) has a point, and we've probably drug the thread rather far off the rails. I'd suggest a separate thread if the discussion is to continue.
 
Thanks for your insight everyone who is in the bussiness. Hopefully the right people will produce some more fold outs and schematics for some of the other future books be it Titan or Generations or S.C.E.
 
As a latecomer to this thread (and in the interest in dragging it back on-topic) I'd like to reiterate congratulations for Sean.

While it may look something like the lovechild of the Sovereign- and Akira- classes, I love both so it's hardly a problem for me. One thing I'm curious about, though, and this is open to the designer, the authors, or anyone else: what does the interior look like? As 24th century ships go, we've seen the interiors for Galaxy-, Defiant-, and Intrepid-class ships. They're all unique. In terms of design structure, color pallette, lighting, etc. What do you think the interior of Titan look like?
 
Actually, the schematics of the interior of the Titan would be very interesting, just considering the different crew quarters they had to put in place. As for colour and lighting, I've always visualised it with the lighter tone of Ent-D and Voyager, than the darker tone of Ent-E and Defiant. Mainly because it's a science vessel.
 
I remember hearing a fan (I think on this board) saying that he's working on an visual depiction of the bridge. But it's not finished yet, and it would, of course, be strictly non-official.
 
For those who haven't been following my I.S.S. Line of ships in the Art Forum I figured I would Introduce you to the I.S.S. Titan.

Before you say that the empire does not exist anymore in the mirror universe, I know. This is my idea for an alternate mirror universe that loosly follows the Novel Dark Mirror. Except for the fact that Data does exist in my Alternate Mirror Universe wher he doesn't in the Novel Dark Mirror.

So here is the Titan and her Evil Twin.
I.S.SvsU.S.STitan.jpg
 
The hull markings are printed backward in the mirror universe? I never knew that. Guess I'll have to work that detail into my upcoming Mirror Universe novel....

:)
 
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