TWOK: Female Bridge Cadet & Saavik's Hair

[Joe_Atari]

Just watched TWOK on Cinemax HD for the first time. Looked good in spite of being the theatrical cut and having only 2.0 surround audio (just like it was in theaters then I guess)...

Anyway, a couple of questions I've always had since the movie came out: There's a female cadet that's on the bridge through almost the whole movie. She's in the opening tracking shot walking between McCoy and Sulu and later turns to face the camera when they encounter the Klingon ships. This character never has any lines but is fairly prominent in the bridge scenes. Does anyone know the name of the actress or was the character ever named? She always looked familiar, maybe from a subsequent TV role or something...

Also, was there some production reason for Kirstie Alley's hairstyle being so different (i.e. shorter) in the opening bridge scene as opposed to the rest of the film? Was that scene shot or reshot much later after she got a haircut or something because it always looked quite different to me.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Also, was there some production reason for Kirstie Alley's hairstyle being so different (i.e. shorter) in the opening bridge scene as opposed to the rest of the film? Was that scene shot or reshot much later after she got a haircut or something because it always looked quite different to me.

yeah... you know, they should have given Kirk or McCoy a few lines noticing the different hair style. Maybe in a turbolift or something.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Does anyone know the name of the actress or was the character ever named?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Unnamed_USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)_personnel#Training_vessel_personnel

from Memory Alpha:
"This female trainee served on the bridge performing various duties during the ship's training mission (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). She was also seen gathered with the rest of the trainee crew during Fleet Admiral Morrow's inspection of the vessel after their return to Spacedock (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock). She was again seen on the bridge of the newly commissioned USS Enterprise-A during its shakedown cruise (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home)."

"This uncredited actress also appears as one of the tour party visiting the Cetacean Institute in 20th-Century Earth along with Kirk and Spock in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home."

From that, I'd guess she was also the stand-in for Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis.

The only other trainee named in ST II (apart from Peter Preston and Saavik) was named in the novelization only: the blond male next to Sulu was named Ensign Croy.

 

[Jon1701]

Always thought that chick was hot.

Funny, I never realised that Todd Byrant was one of the engineering kids in TWOK.

I love learning new stuff

 

[trevanian]

Just watched TWOK on Cinemax HD for the first time. Looked good in spite of being the theatrical cut and having only 2.0 surround audio (just like it was in theaters then I guess)...

Anyway, a couple of questions I've always had since the movie came out: There's a female cadet that's on the bridge through almost the whole movie. She's in the opening tracking shot walking between McCoy and Sulu and later turns to face the camera when they encounter the Klingon ships. This character never has any lines but is fairly prominent in the bridge scenes. Does anyone know the name of the actress or was the character ever named? She always looked familiar, maybe from a subsequent TV role or something...

Also, was there some production reason for Kirstie Alley's hairstyle being so different (i.e. shorter) in the opening bridge scene as opposed to the rest of the film? Was that scene shot or reshot much later after she got a haircut or something because it always looked quite different to me.

The bridge sim WAS reshot, becauase Meyer took it too far and had people flying all over the place; apparently it looked way too real and would have had people groaning when you revealed it was all fake. I think the largely unheralded bob sallin talks about this somewhere (making of trek II maybe?)

 

[Data Holmes]

Just watched TWOK on Cinemax HD for the first time. Looked good in spite of being the theatrical cut and having only 2.0 surround audio (just like it was in theaters then I guess)...

Anyway, a couple of questions I've always had since the movie came out: There's a female cadet that's on the bridge through almost the whole movie. She's in the opening tracking shot walking between McCoy and Sulu and later turns to face the camera when they encounter the Klingon ships. This character never has any lines but is fairly prominent in the bridge scenes. Does anyone know the name of the actress or was the character ever named? She always looked familiar, maybe from a subsequent TV role or something...

Also, was there some production reason for Kirstie Alley's hairstyle being so different (i.e. shorter) in the opening bridge scene as opposed to the rest of the film? Was that scene shot or reshot much later after she got a haircut or something because it always looked quite different to me.

The bridge sim WAS reshot, becauase Meyer took it too far and had people flying all over the place; apparently it looked way too real and would have had people groaning when you revealed it was all fake. I think the largely unheralded bob sallin talks about this somewhere (making of trek II maybe?)

I'd love to see the footage from the first shoot...

 

[Data Holmes]

Does anyone know the name of the actress or was the character ever named?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Unnamed_USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)_personnel#Training_vessel_personnel

from Memory Alpha:
"This female trainee served on the bridge performing various duties during the ship's training mission (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan). She was also seen gathered with the rest of the trainee crew during Fleet Admiral Morrow's inspection of the vessel after their return to Spacedock (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock). She was again seen on the bridge of the newly commissioned USS Enterprise-A during its shakedown cruise (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home)."

"This uncredited actress also appears as one of the tour party visiting the Cetacean Institute in 20th-Century Earth along with Kirk and Spock in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home."

From that, I'd guess she was also the stand-in for Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis.

Or is the daughter of a producer or paramount Exec who happens to be a star trek fan and asked her dad if she could be in it. I always wondered who she was myself.

 

[SonicRanger]

Also, was there some production reason for Kirstie Alley's hairstyle being so different (i.e. shorter) in the opening bridge scene as opposed to the rest of the film? Was that scene shot or reshot much later after she got a haircut or something because it always looked quite different to me.

She's wearing it up, not down:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch1/twok0009.jpg

 

[cardinal biggles]

Yes, but her hairstyle is slightly different in the Kobayashi Maru scene — where it's gathered together (not sure if that would constitute a bun or not) is more toward the back of her head rather than on top in the rest of the film.

example — Saavik & Spock in the torpedo room

 

[SonicRanger]

Yeah, women never change their hairstyle

 

[Data Holmes]

Yes, but her hairstyle is slightly different in the Kobayashi Maru scene — where it's gathered together (not sure if that would constitute a bun or not) is more toward the back of her head rather than on top in the rest of the film.

example — Saavik & Spock in the torpedo room

That bun looks like it is a different color to the rest of her hair...

 

[Timo]

Chronologically, there's at least Kirk's birthday party between the two buns, and quite possibly multiple days or even weeks before the training cruise sails. I rather doubt Saavik slept in that bun, or stayed awake the whole time.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[I Grok Spock]

Chronologically, there's at least Kirk's birthday party between the two buns...

Timo Saloniemi

Between two buns? Definitely a Kirk party.

 

[Iamnotspock]

Chronologically, there's at least Kirk's birthday party between the two buns...

Timo Saloniemi

Between two buns? Definitely a Kirk party.

Indeed.

 

[Joe_Atari]

Thanks for the responses to my original post!

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Unnamed_USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701)_personnel#Training_vessel_personne

Figures they'd have the info there; I just didn't know where to look. Amazing amount of research to track down all of those bit players from the '60s...

As to "Trainee bridge crewmember (female)", I always like this view:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch7/twok0550.jpg

The pictures of Saavik in posts 8 & 9 pretty much show what I was talking about. I know they as far as bridge scenes go they filmed the Reliant stuff first, redressed (or re-redressed) the set, and then shot the Enterprise scenes. During the redress it looks like someone left one of the "logo" stencils (with prominent air bubble) on the turbolift door as seen in the Kobayashi Maru scene. This was removed in subsequent "real Enterprise" bridge scenes, so I'm guessing the KM scene was filmed between the Reliant and "real Enterprise" scenes. As I understand it the shoot was pretty tight (i.e. economical) so it doesn't seem like there would be enough time for Kirstie's hair to grow from the length in the KM scene (with no visible bun) to, say, the Kirk/McCoy/Saavik turbolift scene here:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch5/twok0281.jpg

'course I'm probably analyzing this way too much...

Off topic trivia as I was browsing the TWOK section of Trekcore -- the abandoned Phase II Enterprise:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok/ch1/twok0020.jpg

Note the prominent double turbolift shafts on the bridge.

 

[Therin of Andor]

it doesn't seem like there would be enough time for Kirstie's hair to grow from the length in the KM scene

Almost all female movie hair is supplemented by wigs, falls, extensions, etc. The hot lights cause many women's natural hair to loose its style after a few scenes under hot studio lights.