how come them brain disease disappeared from past scans of archer's brain but everyone could still remember them?
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All of the parasites had to be destroyed before their effects would be negated.
At the end of the episode no one remembers any of the events as they played out after Archer's affliction.
the whole parasite thing was soo far-fetched it was insulting,get rid of the parasites in one guys head and the timeline for the whole universe resets?come on!
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Twilight takes place before we start learning about the origins of the spheres, the Guardians' transdimensional nature, and their role in the attack on Earth.
Because of that alien hired to track Phlox's movements, I suspect that the Guardians created transdimensional parasites that can survive in a human body in an effort to infect the crew and thus prevent Archer et.al. from succeeding in their mission.
So those parasites wouldn't behave the way viruses, etc. do in our universe. They might very well have been vulnerable across time as well as space. And it makes sense that we never get a full explanation. Archer et.al. don't know about the Guardians at this stage, so who would supply the additional exposition?
boy, you put some serious thought into it,but i still think it was sillythe whole parasite thing was soo far-fetched it was insulting,get rid of the parasites in one guys head and the timeline for the whole universe resets?
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Twilight takes place before we start learning about the origins of the spheres, the Guardians' transdimensional nature, and their role in the attack on Earth.
Because of that alien hired to track Phlox's movements, I suspect that the Guardians created transdimensional parasites that can survive in a human body in an effort to infect the crew and thus prevent Archer et.al. from succeeding in their mission.
So those parasites wouldn't behave the way viruses, etc. do in our universe. They might very well have been vulnerable across time as well as space. And it makes sense that we never get a full explanation. Archer et.al. don't know about the Guardians at this stage, so who would supply the additional exposition?
well, sometimes sci fi resembles fantasy more than sci...boy, you put some serious thought into it,but i still think it was sillythe whole parasite thing was soo far-fetched it was insulting,get rid of the parasites in one guys head and the timeline for the whole universe resets?
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Twilight takes place before we start learning about the origins of the spheres, the Guardians' transdimensional nature, and their role in the attack on Earth.
Because of that alien hired to track Phlox's movements, I suspect that the Guardians created transdimensional parasites that can survive in a human body in an effort to infect the crew and thus prevent Archer et.al. from succeeding in their mission.
So those parasites wouldn't behave the way viruses, etc. do in our universe. They might very well have been vulnerable across time as well as space. And it makes sense that we never get a full explanation. Archer et.al. don't know about the Guardians at this stage, so who would supply the additional exposition?
point taken
No sillier than a clone created who has the exact same memories of his host, professionals who go undercover without bothering to disguise themselves and a bevy of other plotlines from ENT.
Actually I thought Twilight one of the least flawed Ent plotlines as well as one of the best exxecuted. I have never hated the reset especially when done like this.E2 was not made a reset yet both Trip and T'Pol seemed to forget they had a child(and Trip had part in creating another child as well which was long forgotten without a reset!).The acting was top notch by all which helped.
I like stories about small moments that change the future. In a weird way it reminded me of It's a Wonderful Life. It showed a bitter alternative to the what if...?
I guess I like stories like these because I do think that small moments can make a big difference in the fate of a person.
I guess I like stories like these because I do think that small moments can make a big difference in the fate of a person.
im sorry but the parasites take the cake
In other shows it's about the entertainment. Here, not so much.
Captain X
Rear Admiral
I guess that all depends on what one finds entertaining. 
3x08 – “Twilight”
ENT’s “Year of Hell”
I really can’t figure out why this episode was so critically acclaimed, or so I’d heard it was at the time it originally aired. Is it because it showed a grim future for humanity and actually shoed Earth being destroyed? Why? Right off the bat we knew that it’d have to be one of the biggest reset episodes ever seen in Star Trek, being matched only by the VOY episode it rehashes – Year of Hell. So what’s so great about reset button episodes? Is it that we get to see everyone die and the main ship destroyed just so we can reset and see everyone and everything all safe and sound again at the end of the episode? It works sometimes, true enough, as with the case of TNG’s Yesterday’s Enterprise; for that matter even VOY’s Year of Hell was actually better in my opinion than what I saw here.
Of course Twilight got off on the wrong foot with me anyway, by starting in the middle of the episode yet again in the manner that really annoys me. Ooh, ah, Earth done got blowed up. It was a pretty good visual effect, but it also portends to the Super!Archer! theory in that only he can possibly save the universe, and if you’ve been reading all my reviews, by this point you know I’m not fan of that simply because it belittles the rest of the crew, and frankly, nothing I’ve seen about the man makes him all that great in my eyes, if anything the opposite.
This episode also didn’t bode well for me in that it once again made T’Pol weak and pretty emotional for that matter. Like when that support beam fell on T’Pol she screamed and writhed about uselessly, and yet somehow where her Vulcan discipline and superior strength failed, Archer was able to lift it off of her and get her to safety. This makes T’Pol feel indebted to Archer, who is now nothing more than a invalid thanks to some strange parasites that were conveniently cared on this anomaly and none of the others before or since, and she becomes the nursemaid to him. Evidently this led to her developing feelings for him, even though every few hours she has to deal with him forgetting everything and having to explain everything all over again. For that matter I guess it would take the patience of a Vulcan to put up with him. But of course this doesn’t even happen until after T’Pol has been given a field commission to Captain, though for whatever reason Starfleet never deemed it necessary to give her a field commission to Commander before this (or after it), and after she utterly fails at that post, because only Super!Archer! can competently command the ship, getting Earth destroyed in the process. Only after T’Pol has been made to fail so utterly does she feel this need to resign and become nursemaid to Captain Alzheimer and become “intimate” with him somehow despite him forgetting everything everyday.
At least Trip is made to be a somewhat competent commander, and to his credit Reed makes a decent first officer too (and I must say looks rather striking in a goatee ). We also finally get some more …realistic casualties, but we all know it’s a reset anyway so that effect is lost.
As an aside, I must say that I laugh at Braga’s idea of “continuity porn” again, this time by the throwaway mention of the only surviving Earth convoy settling on Ceti Alpha V.
Anyway, fortunately Phlox has somehow gotten back to his homeworld and has come back, bearing the reset button…I mean cure for Archer’s parasites. Also fortunately, Trip still feels sorry enough for Captain Alzheimer to let Phlox turn engineering into an experiment laboratory. Also fortunately, T’Pol notices the magic discrepancy with the old scans of Archer’s brain that they somehow conclude means destroying all of them by any means will destroy them all the way back to Archer first getting them, changing time because it means Super!Archer! would be able to save the day. Even T’Pol, who has always been presented as being skeptical about time travel despite all the evidence she’s ever seen to the contrary, is in on this magic reset button cure. Of course it’s at this point that we find out that the Xindi are on their way and everyone is screwed, because naturally as this is a reset button, we have to see all the main characters die before it’s complete. Even T’Pol and Phlox aren’t spared, though they aren’t human; I’m halfway surprised Phlox didn’t live to be an old dog just so we could see him killed too. Actually, for that matter, why did the Xindi even bother to board the ship when they already had it more or less destroyed? All they’d had to do is give it one more good shot and they’ve have killed every single human on board, which seemed to be their goal. 
Anyway, so it comes to pass that a throwaway line from Phlox actually turns out to be the magic reset button cure, and Archer is able to take multiple hits and set Enterprise’s warp core to self destruct just before he dies. So, basically Archer wakes up in sickbay again, none the worse for wear, and we’re right back to where the story “started”, or at least to where T’Pol started from when she brought Archer (and us) up to speed through all those flashbacks.
Anyway, I’m sure you can tell I’m not impressed with this episode; in fact, I think it’s horribly over-rated. I feel it is befitting no more than the goose egg I’m giving it; hey, maybe that will help lower the overall average out of all the reviews out there.
3x08 – “Twilight”
ENT’s “Year of Hell”
I really can’t figure out why this episode was so critically acclaimed, or so I’d heard it was at the time it originally aired. Is it because it showed a grim future for humanity and actually shoed Earth being destroyed? Why? Right off the bat we knew that it’d have to be one of the biggest reset episodes ever seen in Star Trek, being matched only by the VOY episode it rehashes – Year of Hell. So what’s so great about reset button episodes? Is it that we get to see everyone die and the main ship destroyed just so we can reset and see everyone and everything all safe and sound again at the end of the episode? It works sometimes, true enough, as with the case of TNG’s Yesterday’s Enterprise; for that matter even VOY’s Year of Hell was actually better in my opinion than what I saw here.
Of course Twilight got off on the wrong foot with me anyway, by starting in the middle of the episode yet again in the manner that really annoys me. Ooh, ah, Earth done got blowed up.
It was a pretty good visual effect, but it also portends to the Super!Archer! theory in that only he can possibly save the universe, and if you’ve been reading all my reviews, by this point you know I’m not fan of that simply because it belittles the rest of the crew, and frankly, nothing I’ve seen about the man makes him all that great in my eyes, if anything the opposite.This episode also didn’t bode well for me in that it once again made T’Pol weak and pretty emotional for that matter. Like when that support beam fell on T’Pol she screamed and writhed about uselessly, and yet somehow where her Vulcan discipline and superior strength failed, Archer was able to lift it off of her and get her to safety. This makes T’Pol feel indebted to Archer, who is now nothing more than a invalid thanks to some strange parasites that were conveniently cared on this anomaly and none of the others before or since, and she becomes the nursemaid to him. Evidently this led to her developing feelings for him, even though every few hours she has to deal with him forgetting everything and having to explain everything all over again. For that matter I guess it would take the patience of a Vulcan to put up with him. But of course this doesn’t even happen until after T’Pol has been given a field commission to Captain, though for whatever reason Starfleet never deemed it necessary to give her a field commission to Commander before this (or after it), and after she utterly fails at that post, because only Super!Archer! can competently command the ship, getting Earth destroyed in the process. Only after T’Pol has been made to fail so utterly does she feel this need to resign and become nursemaid to Captain Alzheimer and become “intimate” with him somehow despite him forgetting everything everyday.
At least Trip is made to be a somewhat competent commander, and to his credit Reed makes a decent first officer too (and I must say looks rather striking in a goatee
). We also finally get some more …realistic casualties, but we all know it’s a reset anyway so that effect is lost.As an aside, I must say that I laugh at Braga’s idea of “continuity porn” again, this time by the throwaway mention of the only surviving Earth convoy settling on Ceti Alpha V.
Anyway, fortunately Phlox has somehow gotten back to his homeworld and has come back, bearing the reset button…I mean cure for Archer’s parasites. Also fortunately, Trip still feels sorry enough for Captain Alzheimer to let Phlox turn engineering into an experiment laboratory. Also fortunately, T’Pol notices the magic discrepancy with the old scans of Archer’s brain that they somehow conclude means destroying all of them by any means will destroy them all the way back to Archer first getting them, changing time because it means Super!Archer! would be able to save the day. Even T’Pol, who has always been presented as being skeptical about time travel despite all the evidence she’s ever seen to the contrary, is in on this magic reset button cure. Of course it’s at this point that we find out that the Xindi are on their way and everyone is screwed, because naturally as this is a reset button, we have to see all the main characters die before it’s complete. Even T’Pol and Phlox aren’t spared, though they aren’t human; I’m halfway surprised Phlox didn’t live to be an old dog just so we could see him killed too.
Actually, for that matter, why did the Xindi even bother to board the ship when they already had it more or less destroyed? All they’d had to do is give it one more good shot and they’ve have killed every single human on board, which seemed to be their goal. Anyway, so it comes to pass that a throwaway line from Phlox actually turns out to be the magic reset button cure, and Archer is able to take multiple hits and set Enterprise’s warp core to self destruct just before he dies. So, basically Archer wakes up in sickbay again, none the worse for wear, and we’re right back to where the story “started”, or at least to where T’Pol started from when she brought Archer (and us) up to speed through all those flashbacks.Anyway, I’m sure you can tell I’m not impressed with this episode; in fact, I think it’s horribly over-rated. I feel it is befitting no more than the goose egg I’m giving it; hey, maybe that will help lower the overall average out of all the reviews out there.
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Captain X
Rear Admiral
Why? Because it was painfully obvious how S3 would turn out anyway? Because since the storyline was dragging on and not making much progress that it was boring?
Sorry, but if they're going to do something to liven things up, it should be done so that it has lasting consequences instead of making everything go back to the status quo at the end of the episode.
Sorry, but if they're going to do something to liven things up, it should be done so that it has lasting consequences instead of making everything go back to the status quo at the end of the episode.
thanx, that what i thought
Same here, and for most of the reasons you listed.
At least Trip is made to be a somewhat competent commander, and to his credit Reed makes a decent first officer too (and I must say looks rather striking in a goatee
The only reasons I'd rewatch!!!
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