TVH Thoughts

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

* Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?
* Did Spock ever get to swim with the whales again?
* What must Scotty have thought when someone took him aside and explained what a computer mouse was for?

 

[Tosk]

Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?

That's easy. Bones owned them. Then he gifted them to Kirk.

Did Spock ever get to swim with the whales again?

He spent time in the ocean with them again at the end of the film. After that I doubt the thought even crossed his mind.

What must Scotty have thought when someone took him aside and explained what a computer mouse was for?

"How quaint."

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

That's easy. Bones owned them. Then he gifted them to Kirk.

I meant who owned them before that (don't say "the store owner McCoy purchased them from") and wore them.

 

[Victoria]

My feeling about all these points is that we don't know. We don't know who owned the glasses (and it's certainly not relevant to anything). We don't know whether Spock ever swam again with the whales (and as @Tosk says, why should he have done?). We don't know that anyone took Scott aside and explained the mouse (why would they have done?).

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe not immediately, but later a curious McCoy might have looked it up if he didn't already know.

 

[Victoria]

Maybe not immediately, but later a curious McCoy might have looked it up if he didn't already know.

Hmmm...doesn't sound to me like a good idea for McCoy (a medic) to look up something (a machine) with which Scott (an engineer) had problems and then choose to "explain" it to Scott. I don't see "docsplaining" going down at all well. If Scott wants to know, he could look it up for himself but there's really nothing to suggest that Scott would be likely to do so.

 

[HIjol]

My feeling about all these points is that we don't know. We don't know who owned the glasses (and it's certainly not relevant to anything).

The Manufacturers of Retinax 5?


We don't know whether Spock ever swam again with the whales (and as @Tosk says, why should he have done?).

Gracie does...

We don't know that anyone took Scott aside and explained the mouse (why would they have done?).


How quaint!

Sorry today is one of those days where you just have to ask yourself "Can I Be As Big A GoofBall As A Second Grader?"


Clearly, I can...

 

[HIjol]

Hmmm...doesn't sound to me like a good idea for McCoy (a medic) to look up something (a machine) with which Scott (an engineer) had problems and then choose to "explain" it to Scott. I don't see "docsplaining" going down at all well. If Scott wants to know, he could look it up for himself but there's really nothing to suggest that Scott would be likely to do so.

"docsplaining"!

 

[Ssosmcin]

* Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?

I'm sure SNW will get around to that...

 

[Kor]

The glasses were an old family heirloom passed down from an ancestor of McCoy's in late 20th-century San Francisco who was the proprietor of an antique shoppe. He obtained it from a pair of oddly-dressed blokes who didn't know if a hundred dollars was a lot of money. One of the lenses was cracked but it was replaced at some point in time.

Kor

 

[Tenacity]

Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?

Originally Ebenezer Scrooge.

Who in the Star Trek universe was a real person that looked a great deal like Patrick Stewart.

 

[somebuddyX]

* Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?
* Did Spock ever get to swim with the whales again?
* What must Scotty have thought when someone took him aside and explained what a computer mouse was for?

I don't think they say in "Music of the Spheres" but I think Sarek visits Gillian at some lab in Australia to talk about the whales. Also I think Gracie had the hots for Spock or something. It's a good book but I never finished it.

 

[cgervasi]

I meant who owned them before that (don't say "the store owner McCoy purchased them from") and wore them.

I remember the novelization of Star Trek II said McCoy was joking about them being authentic antiques. McCoy knew Kirk was into antiques and needed glasses, so he had a replica made with Kirk's prescription.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I remember the novelization of Star Trek II said McCoy was joking about them being authentic antiques. McCoy knew Kirk was into antiques and needed glasses, so he had a replica made with Kirk's prescription.

That's why Meyer's reinserted scene in the DC about the lenses being intact never made sense. He wasn't giving Kirk an antique collectable, be was giving him glasses so he could see.

 

[Kor]

It makes sense that McCoy would have included prescription lenses customized specifically for Kirk, and not antique lenses. I wonder if transparent aluminum is used for optical stuff like this. But, presumably, transparent aluminum wouldn't crack easily. So I guess I just answered my own question.

Also, it just occurred to me that this is an indication that the field of optometry has possibly been folded into general medicine by the mid to late 23rd century.

Kor

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

He might have had it made with period authentic materials, though. The replicator could make 20th century style glass.

 

[cgervasi]

That's why Meyer's reinserted scene in the DC about the lenses being intact never made sense. He wasn't giving Kirk an antique collectable, be was giving him glasses so he could see.

Oh, I thought I remember reading that was joke in the book, or maybe I just gathered that.
Did they film different scenes where they were going to an authentic antique and actual glasses, but they ended up including parts of both?

I imagined McCoy had an authentic-looking fake made, joked about it being an antique, with the idea that this would be a gentle way to give Kirk glasses. Kirk was annoyed to need them because they're a sign of aging. That sign stands out because most people in his society with presbyopia can be treated with a medicine and don't need to wear glasses.

I imagined he committed a little fraud selling them to the antique shop in San Francisco, but it was of no matter because they were a perfect replica.

It really fit in with Kirk's character. He hated those admirals who stood behind his command post looking over his shoulder. He doesn't want to be one. When Khan attacks he goes to show Saavik how to override another ship's controls, he can't see the display. He looks like he thinks everyone is looking at him as he pulled out his glasses. He let's go of his aversion and explains in a didactic tone. He's been doing this for 30 years, so maybe he can be an admiral looking over people's shoulders without being a jerk like some of the TOS-era ones that came aboard.

I wonder if transparent aluminum is used for optical stuff like this. But, presumably, transparent aluminum wouldn't crack easily. So I guess I just answered my own question.

I wonder if transparent aluminum has a high enough index of refraction. If not, they may be able to bend the light by other means.

Also, it just occurred to me that this is an indication that the field of optometry has possibly been folded into general medicine by the mid to late 23rd century.

I think they see it as a physical problem of the lens not focusing light from all distances onto the retina, a medical problem.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

He hated those admirals who stood behind his command post looking over his shoulder. He doesn't want to be one.

No backseat captaining for Jim.

 

[Qonundrum]

* Who owned Kirk's glasses before Kirk was gifted them?

The frames? Good question. By the 23rd century, the Retinox series of drug was able to treat vision issues that replaced the need for glasses and somebody really dug having that style of gramps frames, which remind me that I need to clean mine, but I digress... The frames were antique, but - yeah - who created precision-fitting lenses and aren't they a bit of an encumbrance? Kirk's allergic to this medication, so what else is he using off-hours? Okay, we don't see that either... it's minutiae, but when your eyeglasses specialist you have no desire to date looks at your current set and scoffs how a 20-year-old frame looks grossly out of date, something 400 years old is bound to be even more awkward.

Granted, if it's true that something like 4~7 billion people will be myopic by 2050...

What Did Nearsighted Humans Do Before Glasses? : Shots - Health News : NPR
(So plenty of old frames will be hanging around by the time 2280 comes around, that's for sure. Also, get a load of some of the timeless designs of those specs, too...)

* Did Spock ever get to swim with the whales again?

Every 5 years he goes back to Earth to mind meld to see how all 47 calves are doing and if they're all inbreeding to keep raising numbers, and listening to them deny it the moment he starts to drone on and on about the ramifications of inbreeding depression.

* What must Scotty have thought when someone took him aside and explained what a computer mouse was for?

Bemusement, possibly. And if they bought the Amiga computer instead, or even if Commodore opted to loan it out, they could have had a better product placement that had interactive graphics working in real time, instead of the premade slideshow video. No worries, Commodore didn't want to be associated with the Trek film (which also became the highest-grossing and for a very long time and the 16/32-bit home computer revolution was only starting to take off... oh well, at least the Amiga architecture sold like hotcakes in Europe. )

 

[Mojochi]

Scotty tells you how he feels about the mouse by sarcastically saying "How Quaint" the same as one might gibe about any other old-fashioned thing, like I might say about a rotary dial on a phone. He thinks it's archaic. He is much more tolerant however than Bones is, when confronted with similar in the elevator