Tuvok & Neelix

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Mr.Mork, May 24, 2020.

  1. Mr.Mork

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    They mix like oil and water, and yet it seems they are always thrown together in away missions, or other scenarios where the Capt, has them working together, or along with others. Seems to me that Janeway isn't being very considerate to Tuvok, or is it because she knows that Tuvok being a Vulcan is only person who can put up with Neelix and his annoying ways?
    Not that Neelix is so horrible, but lets face it, he can be annoying and inconsiderate if not down right rude and obnoxious at times. I like his (Neelix) character though, and he does know a bit about the Delta quadrant so I understand why he is allowed to stay aboard Voyager. It just seems like he goes out of his way to be a thorn in Tuvok's butt at times , and on purpose.
     
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  2. dodge

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    They seemed pretty emulsified as Tuvix. :shifty:
     
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  3. Makarov

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    Tuvok actually likes him, they revealed it in that one episode where he has brain damage or something, in one of the most moving lines in all of star trek.

    "Then how will you know, how much I enjoy being with you?"
     
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  4. Angry Fanboy

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    He's eager to impress/please his new colleagues. He also wants to be liked, and all of this leads him down the path of behaving in what can be interpreted as an annoying way.

    Lots of people have that trait though.
     
  5. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    Please remove that thorny image from my mind. It's there in bold print and won't go away.
     
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  6. Mr.Mork

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    Tuvix :barf2:
     
  7. Mr.Mork

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    Sorry, but once you see it you can't un-see it. :lol: Maybe a Vulcan meditation technique may help remove that image from your mind perhaps? :rommie:
     
  8. Mr.Mork

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    I forgot about that episode, but Tuvok wasn't really himself than, he was not being Vulcan in the general sense of being Vulcan. I think actor Tim Russ did a great job in that episode btw.
     
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    That only shows how damaged his brain was XD
     
  10. Angry Fanboy

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    I always thought Tim Russ was underrated as Tuvok. Tuvok wasn't written to be a 'leading' character in the same way Janeway, Seven and The Doctor clearly were but nonetheless Tim Russ never put a foot wrong in my opinion.
     
  11. Tracy Trek

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    Neelix may be considered annoying. But remember how kind and caring he is to Tuvok in this episode. When Tuvok first came out of his coma, Neelix looked after him and Tuvok trusted him.
     
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  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I don't think Neelix is rude or obnoxious. He's just annoyingly chipper.
     
  13. Mr.Mork

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    Yeah, I see that. Not annoying so much as pesky at times. Just trying to make others happy I guess. I still think he should of let Tuovk be though once he learned that it is not in Vulcan nature to smile and be 'Happy' as he would like for him to be.
     
  14. jmidnight_99

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    Neelix and Tuvok should have provided a little comic relief on the series. But If you look, most of Neelix's scenes don't work with Tuvok because he lacks chemistry. If fact, it seems to me that he had no chemistry withy any character on that show including Kes. Neelix should have been a complex character with a rich background, fun and interesting but Phillips couldn't carry that, and I think the writers abandoned the character. He comes off as stupid, annoying and obnoxious all the time because that's the way the actor played him. The strange thing is, every time I've seen that actor in other shows he played the exact same character. No one likes Neelix. We like the potential the Neelix character had, and we ignore the fact that Phillips never, ever came close to realizing it.
     
  15. Akiraprise

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    I tend to agree. Neelix was my least favorite character. I am rewatching VOY currently and am on Season 3. Just watched "The Q and the Grey." His reaction to the supernova in the beginning was legitimately eye roll worthy. "Warlord" is one of my guilty pleasure episodes because Kes kicks him to the curb. :lol:
     
  16. Bry_Sinclair

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    I always got the impression they were trying to do a Spock/Bones sort of thing, where they were always bickering, but it just never seemed to pan out like that.
     
  17. Angry Fanboy

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    The character of Neelix was, like many aspects of VOY, something that started with a good idea was found wanting in the execution.

    I'm wary of blaming Ethan Phillips because ultimately an actor can only work with what they're given - yes different actors will bring different things etc but ultimately they're reading words from a page.

    I don't see that Ethan Phillips was any worse an actor than the majority of series regulars - I mean granted he isn't Patrick Stewart but you'll never fill your whole cast with actors of that calibre. Of the original VOY cast I'd put Phillips on par with Beltran, Lien and Wang. Mulgrew and Picardo are clearly a level above but what can you do?
     
  18. Qonundrum

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    Time for me to marathon binge... but Ethan Phillips really sold the villainy of his Ferengi character in "Menage a Troi". So I don't think he's a bad actor, but I'm thinking you have a point about Neelix being abandoned. Heck, even his final episode was a massive stretch.

    Also, what were the other actors in the top casting sessions like? Phillips did it the best...
     
  19. DonIago

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    Yeah, I saw Phillips do a bit of stand-up at the NYC premiere for "What We Left Behind" and he was pretty entertaining. If the character failed, I don't think the blame can be laid solely or necessarily mostly at his feet. He seemed capable of doing a fine job in episodes like "Jetrel"...but most of the time the writers didn't seem to know what to do with him other than go for humor...with mixed results.

    I always found the Neelix-Tuvok interactions particularly awkward, and I wish the writers had dropped that particular trope. We all have annoying coworkers to be sure, but Neelix was on the level where I might have filed a complaint with HR.
     
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  20. Makarov

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    What I like about Neelix is often his advice was really good and he had such an interest in the food he was serving. I'll take him over Guinan for sure