Turbolift mazes inside empty starships! LOL!!!

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

What was up with the turbolift mazes inside empty starships? This was a thing in Disco S2 and at least one Short Trek, if I remember correctly. Please tell me they listened to the fans and stopped doing this. I don't remember seeing this in Picard nor the cartoons. Haven't seen SNW yet.

 

[Sketcher]

They make sense to me.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

They make sense to me.

How so?

 

[Tosk]

The shots were stupid and they stopped doing them.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

The shots were stupid and they stopped doing them.

Why do you think they are stupid? I liked them.

 

[Tosk]

Please tell me they listened to the fans and stopped doing this.

Why do you think they are stupid? I liked them.

Make up your mind.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Make up your mind.

I thought you said shorts as in Short Treks, and my brain shifted to my out-of-place question. It's after 3am, my apologies!

When did they stop doing the turbolift maze in an empty starship shell?

 

[Tosk]

They stopped after the examples you listed.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

They stopped after the examples you listed.

Didn't they revisit this bizarre concept in S3 or S4? There was a turbolift chase inside Discovery in a cavern the size of an empty Borg cube. I haven't seen the episode, just the clip.

 

[Tosk]

After that then.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What was up with the turbolift mazes inside empty starships? This was a thing in Disco S2 and at least one Short Trek, if I remember correctly. Please tell me they listened to the fans and stopped doing this. I don't remember seeing this in Picard nor the cartoons. Haven't seen SNW yet.

It's in the first episode of SNW, the camera zooms down a massive space down the warp core (perhaps the neck?) toward engineering.

Discovery season 3's finale triples down on the insanity with miles-long spaces between decks, featuring giant electrical transformers and entire buildings. But, being in the far future some have rationalised that as the TARDIS tech seen in Star Trek: Enterprise.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm really glad they stopped doing this. Other Trek series have gotten away with fudging the scale a bit, like the TOS shuttlecraft being bigger on the inside, or everything to do with the hero ship in Prodigy season 2, but it was blatantly obvious that Discovery's turbolift chamber was large enough to fly Discovery through it. It makes any complaints I have about the Enterprise's bottomless pit in Nemesis feel like nitpicking by comparison.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

At least this did not spill into Picard and the two animated shows. I wonder if Lower Decks will make fun of this before the show ends?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm really glad they stopped doing this

This is where I'm going to ruin Strange New Worlds for you
They admit in their own design documents that engineering is a fudge to fit where it's supposed to be.

And here's the shaft from episode 1 from the below angle:

Also others have shown the shuttlebay is massively bigger on the inside to the outside (let alone when it spewed 100+ fighters in Discovery season 2!

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

When I get around to SNW, I'll be paying attention to scaling.

 

[The Wormhole]

So the story goes, S2 of Disco Kurtzman was on a "Fix Canon" kick and wanted to address all the "canon issues" fans complained about with S1. Among those, Klingons grew their hair back and began flying around in actual D-7s, we start seeing TOS-style Starfleet uniforms. Kurtzman also wanted to address why the Crossfield class is twice the size of a Constitution class but only has a fraction of the crew. The solution, the ship has a hollow interior that can fit a turbolift rollercoaster and all the habitable areas located along the perimeter of the hull. He supposedly decreed this by executive fiat over the objections of the show's art department who already had their own ideas of the ship's internal layout which were not consistent with Kurtzman's decree.

Then the whole matter got negated anyway in the Short Trek where we see the Enterprise also has a rollercoaster turbolift.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

So the story goes, S2 of Disco Kurtzman was on a "Fix Canon" kick and wanted to address all the "canon issues" fans complained about with S1. Among those, Klingons grew their hair back and began flying around in actual D-7s, we start seeing TOS-style Starfleet uniforms. Kurtzman also wanted to address why the Crossfield class is twice the size of a Constitution class but only has a fraction of the crew. The solution, the ship has a hollow interior that can fit a turbolift rollercoaster and all the habitable areas located along the perimeter of the hull. He supposedly decreed this by executive fiat over the objections of the show's art department who already had their own ideas of the ship's internal layout which were not consistent with Kurtzman's decree.

Then the whole matter got negated anyway in the Short Trek where we see the Enterprise also has a rollercoaster turbolift.

I miss Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

 

[Michael]

So the story goes, S2 of Disco Kurtzman was on a "Fix Canon" kick and wanted to address all the "canon issues" fans complained about with S1. Among those, Klingons grew their hair back and began flying around in actual D-7s, we start seeing TOS-style Starfleet uniforms. Kurtzman also wanted to address why the Crossfield class is twice the size of a Constitution class but only has a fraction of the crew. The solution, the ship has a hollow interior that can fit a turbolift rollercoaster and all the habitable areas located along the perimeter of the hull. He supposedly decreed this by executive fiat over the objections of the show's art department who already had their own ideas of the ship's internal layout which were not consistent with Kurtzman's decree.

Then the whole matter got negated anyway in the Short Trek where we see the Enterprise also has a rollercoaster turbolift.

I never heard this story, and even though it still doesn’t make a lot of sense the way they showed it on the show, it’s nice to get at least some reason for why they created those visuals. It’s better than nothing, I guess.

I’d still love to see someone attempt a cutaway drawing of Discovery in the style of the classic 90s Trek cutaway posters done by @Christopher Cushman. Would be interesting to see how they reconcile all that empty space with the ship’s exterior.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I’d still love to see someone attempt a cutaway drawing of Discovery in the style of the classic 90s Trek cutaway posters done by @Christopher Cushman. Would be interesting to see how they reconcile all that empty space with the ship’s exterior.

I've been waiting for someone to attempt the 78-deck Enterprise-A from Star Trek V for decades!

 

[Daedalus]

I’d still love to see someone attempt a cutaway drawing of Discovery in the style of the classic 90s Trek cutaway posters done by @Christopher Cushman. Would be interesting to see how they reconcile all that empty space with the ship’s exterior.

I do miss things like that. I had a wonderful poster from an Enterprise-A model kit which I kept until it was torn and dog-eared. Also, those angled bridge cutaway drawings from the Fact Files were great too. It was like living in a future history.