TUC - not aged well

[Kor]

Ok, I can't remember since I have only seen the extended version, so it all blends together. The larger point being that the blood of the assassin is different from the Klingon blood earlier, so it is used as part of the reveal.

The Scooby-Doo ending was included in the home video version for years. On the blu-ray release, it is (thankfully) gone.

Well, Romulan ships in TNG are green...

The Colonel West version of TUC is a rather visible part of the Trek canon in having seen wide distribution in movie theaters - it's not as if it could be classified as a "cut scene" in the traditional sense.

Were there two versions of the movie distributed to theaters?

The only other bit of Trek where anything even remotely similar happens is The Motion Picture, with its various versions, but those explicitly contradict each other (the V'Ger cloud can't be 2 AU and 82 AU wide simultaneously, you have to pick one size over the other).

I thought it wasn't changed to 2 AU until the TMP-DE, which was supposed to be the definitive and canonical version of the movie

Kor

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Were there two versions of the movie distributed to theaters?

That's correct. The Col. West stuff wasn't added until the movie was on home video.

I thought it wasn't changed to 2 AU until the TMP-DE, which was supposed to be the definitive and canonical version of the movie

Also correct. I think 82AUs is actually larger than our solar system, IIRC.

 

[STEPhon IT]

LOL! There was only 1 version distributed to theaters and that was the one without Colonel West.
The theatrical version is canon was what I thought and the alternate versions are what if's; things which were left out for whatever reasons at the time.

 

[STEPhon IT]

A hiccup in their history that occured because of the injection of Augment DNA after Enterprise and self correcting largely accross their society by TMP.

And once again not understanding that was called a retcon. Because of this, one could either accept that bullsh*t or simply ignore it. I choose the latter because it doesn't make any sense.

 

[Kemaiku]

But this is exactly the continuity the fandom is hammering on about being continued in the new series. Massive, idiotic, glaring contradictions that keep on happening over decades.

You're right though, best to ignore a lot of that crap and start anew.

 

[Star Trek Apolgist]

I watched TUC last night, for the first time in maybe 10 years. I didn't find it an enjoyable experience. From the over done racism, to several cheesy moments (Scotty nearly messing his incontinence pants when the Enterprise starts her mission), through Valeris making the main characters look stupid. The story itself felt hamfisted and clunky. Even the Shakespeare felt overdone.

20 years ago, this was my favourite Trek movie, now I seriously dislike it. Why has it aged so badly?

The Racism serves the plot well actually. The movie revolves around the idea that a once bitter enemy may now become allies. How some people will find it hard to get use to the notion that now you have to be friends with your enemy. it is about how even to the best of people, they can find the change hard.

Gorkon: If there is to be a lasting peace, our generation will have the hardest time living in it.

But it also brings Kirk full circle regarding his son dying at the hands of a Klingon. Now he has to make a jester of peace to the Klingons.

 

[STEPhon IT]

How interesting it could've been if the Klingon judge decided to sentence Kirk to a Klingon civilization to spend the rest of his natural life? Nothing hurts more than learning to adjust to surviving amongst a race he hates. Poetic Justice.

 

[fireproof78]

How interesting it could've been if the Klingon judge decided to sentence Kirk to a Klingon civilization to spend the rest of his natural life? Nothing hurts more than learning to adjust to surviving amongst a race he hates. Poetic Justice.

Probably because they would prefer Kirk to suffer and that was not suffering in the eyes of the Klingons. It's a good thing this as later the Klingons probably would have had Kirk been pansticked to death or something like that.

 

[STEPhon IT]

What is a pan stick??? Klingon Poison?

 

[Firebird]

What is a pan stick??? Klingon Poison?

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[FormerLurker]

Most people spell pain with an I.

 

[Timo]

Okay, so is paln a Klingon poison, then?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[urbandefault]

I recall reading that the special effects folks for Into Darkness specifically used the TUC blood color for some of the markings on the Klingon ship, with the idea that was something Klingons would consider fearsome.

Well, that just sounds like something Reavers would do ... or Mal Reynolds if he was flying through Reaver territory (along with strapping bodies to the hull).

 

[DarKush]

Another thing about Chang was his appearance. He had an eye patch bolted on his face, this look tells me this guy has violent history. The cold warrior references represented who he was.

The story behind Chang's eye patch was in the Star Trek: Klingon Academy game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Klingon_Academy

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To the other post you made surmising what Chang's ultimate plans might be, I don't know if he had one beyond making sure the Klingon Empire was strong and not subordinate to the Federation. It didn't seem like was seeking to personally rule the Empire, as long as he could manipulate whoever the Chancellor was I guess.

The Romulan thing is interesting, because we don't quite know where they stand at this period. From TUC it seems like the Romulans and Federation were on relatively friendly terms, as evidenced by Nanclus being in on that meeting discussing rescuing Kirk and McCoy. At the same time Nanclus was part of the Klingon and Starfleet conspiracy so maybe they had decent relations with the Klingons as well. It's unfortunate that we never got a Romulan-centric TOS movie.

 

[STEPhon IT]

It was established in TOS the Klingons and the Romulans had a union. It was never my intention to speculate on Chang's motivations but I thought he was more Klingon than Worf or anything Ronald D. Moore had ever imagined. My attempt was to credit Nicholas Meyer, who's not a Star Trek fan, understood the nature of the Klingons. Something Ronald D. Moore, a professed fan, never had a clue.

 

[The Old Mixer]

What is a pan stick???

Kirk is sentenced to cook without the use of Pam.

 

[STEPhon IT]

LMAO!!!!!!

 

[fireproof78]

What is a pan stick??? Klingon Poison?

A spelling error. As noted, it is supposed to be pain stick.

THough a Klingon panstick sounds even worse, now that I reread it.

 

[Griffeytrek]

I think part of the problem is some viewers are looking at the film and story through modern filters that were not in any way intended as part of the film. Case in point people keep bringing up racism. But really in Star Trek the Klingons have never been an allegory for race or racism. They were the mirror to the Cold War. And TUC was the ST look at what happens when the Cold War ends. When the enemy crumbles from within without a shot fired? How do the cold warriors react? It's a reflection on the interplay of old foes. Mirroring the fall of the Soviet Union and the dismantling of the Berlin Wall. But our modern filters are swapping in race instead of the clashes of civilizations it was meant to reflect.

 

[STEPhon IT]

There were characters in Star Fleet were talking within in each other about how repulsed they were on how they ate and smelled. One referenced a Klingon as a model, as if they were not sentient. One character calls the Klingon Chancellor's daughter a "bitch", wildly accuses her of killing her father because she didn't cry in his funeral.
Some verbally labeled Klingons as trash of the galaxy. In the Captain's own log he mentioned he never trusted Klingons, and he never will, boldly said he'll never forgive an entire race because of the death of his son. Not Kruge who was guilty of the sin, but all Klingons. Yep, the film's story was mirroring the fall of the Soviet Union, and dismantling of the Berlin Wall and not about race.