TUC boobie

[Timo]

If they had wanted the attempt known, they'd have made it very public instead of hiding the Klingon away in a place obviously security never thought to find, that was only discovered after Kirk and crew busted the secret plot. Otherwise he could have gotten away rather easily and even blended in with the Klingon crowd during the panic.

There would have been no way to hide the shooting location: unlike bullets, phaser beams immediately reveal the location of the shooter!

Yet the killer mustn't be caught or it will be revealed that he's not a Klingon for real. So shooting from a balcony is the ideal choice: the victim dies, everybody turns to look at the assassin, and sees his face before he makes his well-planned escape like any realistic assassin would.

Whether the plan further involved Cartwright's cohorts vaporizing Colonel West to eliminate all evidence, we don't know. It doesn't sound likely that the Klingons played much of a role in the attempt - sure, Chang is on orbit, but he's on an independent hunt for Kirk and need not even be aware of what is happening down on Khitomer!

You'd think they would have targetting systems, or even some fanciful tech that can pick out and display a target without sighting it.

Sights are useful for studying the victim, though. Targeting is worthless if the target can't be identified and otherwise assessed.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[tharpdevenport]

I don't know why I didn't think to use the Trekcore screencaps library, but...


Nobody was going to see him after he fired. Not only can we see from the inside that the he can't see threw the material there (some kind of painted glass) and only threw the hole:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=508&pid=54890#top_display_media

But that he couldn't be see from three of four stories up the other way because it was painted:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54937&fullsize=1

Here's the video, which I finally found, that shows very briefly twice that you can't see out it or in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSahZhM7-0I


If Scotty hadn't shown up, he'd have gotten away with nobody that actually saw what he loked like. Hell, even after he fired it was like half the room was confused and didn't even wonder why that phaser beam struck from above.

And it wasn't a sight as we think, but apparently some kind of small computer screen showing the targetting:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=508&pid=54903#top_display_media

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I thought Nimoy had those photos destroyed.

Neil

 

[Timo]

Nobody was going to see him after he fired.

But the whole point was that everybody was.

That there's something between him and the crowd at the time of the shooting is immaterial. He's dressed up for one purpose only, and that is to be seen. That's going to happen somehow, and the opportunities are endless - after all, this is the most looked-at place in the universe at the time, as far as the intended audience is concerned. Say, guards everywhere, conveniently looking the other way until the deed is done, won't be doing that forever...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[HIjol]

I don't know why I didn't think to use the Trekcore screencaps library, but...


Nobody was going to see him after he fired. Not only can we see from the inside that the he can't see threw the material there (some kind of painted glass) and only threw the hole:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=508&pid=54890#top_display_media

But that he couldn't be see from three of four stories up the other way because it was painted:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54937&fullsize=1

Here's the video, which I finally found, that shows very briefly twice that you can't see out it or in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSahZhM7-0I


If Scotty hadn't shown up, he'd have gotten away with nobody that actually saw what he loked like. Hell, even after he fired it was like half the room was confused and didn't even wonder why that phaser beam struck from above.

And it wasn't a sight as we think, but apparently some kind of small computer screen showing the targetting:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=508&pid=54903#top_display_media

No Titties?

(Sorry...I just kinda...lost control of my typing finger...it was the App...!!!)

I thought Nimoy had those photos destroyed.

Neil

Except for the ones with the Enormou...

The Nimoy picture thing was funny!!!

 

[Kor]

The Scooby Doo unmasking was only included on home video.

As far as I'm concerned, it was just some unnamed Klingon.

And tharpdevenport was right to point out that computerized display. Perhaps the sight device actually displayed an image from a sensor that was directly in line with the barrel.

Kor

 

[Tim Thomason]

Nobody was going to see him after he fired.

But the whole point was that everybody was.

That there's something between him and the crowd at the time of the shooting is immaterial. He's dressed up for one purpose only, and that is to be seen. That's going to happen somehow, and the opportunities are endless - after all, this is the most looked-at place in the universe at the time, as far as the intended audience is concerned. Say, guards everywhere, conveniently looking the other way until the deed is done, won't be doing that forever...

Timo Saloniemi

It makes sense to me then, judging from the evidence presented here, that Colonel West intended to be caught after-the-fact by some surveillance video or visual scanning device. He may have intended to transport straight out of the balcony, but he still would've been seen or recorded going into the balcony, which would, of course, be quickly determined to be the source of the phaser beam (probably a disruptor beam, actually) after the initial confusion.

 

[CommanderTrip]

I feel like George and Gracie are the REAL masterminds behind an all-out war between the Federation and Klingon empire. Think about it.... Any other plan is just too simple. The whales are behind it all.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I know Timo point, but it occured to me a couple weeks ago when I was listening to the score to the film, that ultimately it's an empty point: beside the point nobody would have seen the shooter, despite the point it was unlikely he would have been caught lest he got himself purposefully caught, and so forth and so on, people aren't stupid. There will be an investigation, evidence, facts, inquiries, it won't add up in the end. It was weak and that the film's writer's thought this was a smart move on a large aggressive empire, was just plain weird.


And if we ever do find a hidden boobie, let us just pray it's not Uhura doing another naked fan dance....

 

[Marsden]

Here's a nice pair.

https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/A...ent/uploads/2010/07/blue-footed-booby-two.jpg

 

[Timo]

There will be an investigation, evidence, facts, inquiries, it won't add up in the end.

That's just it, though - that's ideal for the conspirators.

The more there is "investigating", the more there is "evidence" and accusations based on that, the less the various sides of the conflict will agree with each other. Just as with Gorkon's assassination, it not only doesn't matter whodunnit, it actually helps that there's a plot to be uncovered. Whichever side does the uncovering, the other will label it as transparent fabrication worthy of a B movie only...

Getting the war started is a non-issue: both sides want to pull the trigger anyway. Getting it started so that the other side looks like the guilty party is an affordable thing to do, with a bit of halfhearted plotting involving a cheap mask and an additional body or two. And once the war gets going, nothing matters any more.

Timo Saloniemi