TSUNKATSE-cheap knock off of Purgatory's Shadow/
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I've haven't seen the Voyager episode since it aired. Did they have to touch the sides like in the internment camp?
Voyager at the peak of it's suckiness if you ask me.
And I like Voyager when it's at it's best.
Just wasn't in that zone all that often towards the end.
You could say they really 'jumped the shark' when they oh-so-obviously replaced Kes with the resident borg...
And I like Voyager when it's at it's best.
Just wasn't in that zone all that often towards the end.
You could say they really 'jumped the shark' when they oh-so-obviously replaced Kes with the resident borg...
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I have absolutely no idea what any of this means. There are far too many obscure sentences and capital letters. May I ask what this conversation is about?
-J.
I have absolutely no idea what any of this means. There are far too many obscure sentences and capital letters. May I ask what this conversation is about?
-J.
Tsunkatse - Crappy wrestling episode of Star Trek: Voyager, guest starring WWF pro wrestler "The Rock" and DS9 actors Jeffery Combs and JG Hertzler.
In Purgatory's Shadow / By Inferno's Light - Superior DS9 two-parter featuring Jem'Hadar testing their skills by fighting their captive, Worf.
I agree with Lindley. Every sci-fi show does these sort of episodes. Angel, Babylon 5, The Original Trek (twice), Battlestar Galactica, etc... have all used some variation on the plot.
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Ah, thank you! I got the DS9 references, but the VOY one had me confused, and I'd never heard of TSUNKATSE, so once again, thank you!
As for IPS & BIL, yes, they are magnificent episodes, but then, I'm a bit biased. <<Niner>>.
-J.
Well of course the DS9 two-parter was better, because it had all that other stuff with Dukat and the Dominion and the Bashier Changling happening at the same time.
Also, in VOY the fighting was just for fun, whereas in DS9 it was basically slave labor to train the enemy militay.
Also, in VOY the fighting was just for fun, whereas in DS9 it was basically slave labor to train the enemy militay.
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The fighting was fun for those watching, but not those fighting. Fighters were slaves in that episode, which I liked more than others here apparently do, perhaps because the Hirogen made an appearance (by J.G. Hertzler) or perhaps because Jeffery Combs was excellent in it, as always. Still, not anything original, that's for sure.
The fighting was fun for those watching, but not those fighting. Fighters were slaves in that episode, which I liked more than others here apparently do, perhaps because the Hirogen made an appearance (by J.G. Hertzler) or perhaps because Jeffery Combs was excellent in it, as always. Still, not anything original, that's for sure.
Uh.. I actually liked the VOY episode. Quite a bit. Definitely wasn't original content, but I thought they did it well and made a good point. A little too swift of an ending, but nonetheless....
Hrmph.
Hrmph.
I agree. The Voyager episode was a lot better than I thought it'd be at the time it aired.
I finally got a chance to see this episode for the first time.
True it's not nearly so good as the DS9 episodes mentioned with the same theme, however for a Voyager episode I found it to be spectacular. Mainly because as mentioned in the OP, Combs and Hertzler are spectacular as always. In fact it seems the Voyager crew's screen-time is minimized in this episode which is great in my view because it makes way for lots of time to be entertained directly by Combs and Hertzler.
I saw this air on my local station coming after an episode of "Voyager is shaking a planet who is advancing rapidly in civilzation hundreds of years every few minutes". Not being familiar with most episodes of Voyager, I thought that was scraping the bottom of the barrel for the worst Voyager episode I might possibly see. Yet, it was followed by an even worse episode of Voyager which I consider to be Voyager's very own "Move Along Home". "Some aliens who appear to be have even worse issues than the "Wadi", do not know what music is then they spend the whole episode having the Doc lip-sync...er, I mean, sing for them in a Bozo the Clown uniform."
After those episodes, TSUNKATSE is an outright masterpiece by comparison.
I thought the Rock was fine in this episode. I was expecting his appearance to be extremely dumb but I felt it was handled in a classy way that wasn't overly-promotional of the Rock and the WWE. The Rock's acting in this episode was actually much better than I was expecting it to be.
For me the moral of the story is: the more Voyager uses actors and ideas that DS9 first covered, the (much!) better that episode of Voyager is. Makes me wish Voyager ripped off DS9's ideas and borrowed DS9's actors for every single episode of Voyager. :thumbsup:
True it's not nearly so good as the DS9 episodes mentioned with the same theme, however for a Voyager episode I found it to be spectacular. Mainly because as mentioned in the OP, Combs and Hertzler are spectacular as always. In fact it seems the Voyager crew's screen-time is minimized in this episode which is great in my view because it makes way for lots of time to be entertained directly by Combs and Hertzler.
I saw this air on my local station coming after an episode of "Voyager is shaking a planet who is advancing rapidly in civilzation hundreds of years every few minutes". Not being familiar with most episodes of Voyager, I thought that was scraping the bottom of the barrel for the worst Voyager episode I might possibly see. Yet, it was followed by an even worse episode of Voyager which I consider to be Voyager's very own "Move Along Home". "Some aliens who appear to be have even worse issues than the "Wadi", do not know what music is then they spend the whole episode having the Doc lip-sync...er, I mean, sing for them in a Bozo the Clown uniform."
After those episodes, TSUNKATSE is an outright masterpiece by comparison.
I thought the Rock was fine in this episode. I was expecting his appearance to be extremely dumb but I felt it was handled in a classy way that wasn't overly-promotional of the Rock and the WWE. The Rock's acting in this episode was actually much better than I was expecting it to be.
For me the moral of the story is: the more Voyager uses actors and ideas that DS9 first covered, the (much!) better that episode of Voyager is. Makes me wish Voyager ripped off DS9's ideas and borrowed DS9's actors for every single episode of Voyager. :thumbsup:
The low point of Trek is, and hopefully always will be, Threshold. Tom and Janeway travel at transwarp, become iguanas, and make hot iguana lovin'. It's so bad its writer BRANNON BRAGA even thinks it sucks, and Voyager's writers unofficially decanonized it by having Tom declare he'd never flown at transwarp in a later episode. That's bad.
For me Tsunkatse was one of the better VOY episodes...I saw no rip off. Like it was already mentioned...it's a concept that all shows use. Purgatorys Shadow , Inferno's Light was part of DS9's long story and had many things going on at the same time. finally...the Rock is actually a very good actor ...I wouldn't mind seeing him in more action adventures.
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