Trying to figure out some of the timeline changes

[gastrof]

ORIGINAL TIMELINE-

from startrek.com:
Kirk's birth: March 22, 2233

from Memory Alpha:
Enterprise NCC-1701 launched 2245 under Commander Robert April
Pike commanded the Enterprise from the early 2250s into the 2260s
Kirk made Captain and given Enterprise in 2264

Okay.

Kirk's 12 when the Enterprise is launched.

He'd be maybe 10 when it's being built?

NEW TIMELINE-

If the bits we've been given already are understood correctly, the Kelvin is destroyed at the same time Kirk is born. That may still be 2233.

Enterprise is apparently being built when Kirk is maybe 17? 21?

This means it's built about seven-ten years later than it should (possibly due to what happened to the Kelvin leading to work to improve Star Ship design).

It's launched possibly somewhere between 2252 and 2256.

This is during the time Pike should be commanding her, so April is out of the picture due to the ship not EXISTING when he should have been given command. We have to assume this now makes Pike the ship's first Captain. Fits with the little bits we've been given.

We have no idea right now when the movie takes place (at least, the scenes with Kirk on the ship with Pike), so we may be back on track more or less. Pike could have been commanding the ship for four years by the time we see the events with Kirk on board.

We may actually be seeing 2260 or even later. (This puts Kirk into his late 20s.)

Looks like if anything, Kirk may get the Enterprise a little earlier than he "should" in the new timeline.

I think this may work out okay without serious damage to the timeline.

I just haven't figured out yet how it affects Chekov's age. (How old he'd be in 2260...or later.)

 

[trekkerguy]

It'll be alot easier once we see the film

 

[gastrof]

Ah, you're an ol' stick in the mud!

Let's have pre-movie fun!

Oh...found out...old timeline, Pavel was born 2245. This would make him 15 in 2260, but he could be 17 in 2262, and MIGHT be on the ship then.

Of course, if his parents somehow conceived him early due to the Kelvin incident, he'd be a little older than in the original timeline.

 

[trekkerguy]

Ah, you're an ol' stick in the mud!

Let's have pre-movie fun!

*Grabs Phaser and Communicator*

Beaming down for that

 

[Cky]

It might be why Chekov was even on board the Enterprise at the time.

 

[Timo]

Or then this is actually Pavel's never-seen older brother Pyotr - and in "Day of the Dove", it was Sulu, not Chekov, who was affected by the malevolent alien and got the facts about the Chekov brothers all wrong.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[gastrof]

It might be why Chekov was even on board the Enterprise at the time.

WHAT might be???

 

[Cky]

Ooh, I get what your PM's mean now.

I ment to say, if everything is x years later than what it should be, it might explain why Chekov is seen on the Enterprise in this film.

 

[datas_cat_spot]

I am curious to see what the actual year will be when the Enterprise is being built and Kirk goes into the Academy.

 

[BenRoethig]

To give a quick rundown with a bit of speculation.

2330s or so Nero Destroys USS Kelvin killing George Kirk Sr.
Kirk is raised by uncle.
Constitution project redesigned and delayed 15-20 to counter Romulan threat.
2250: Kirk becomes town drunk instead of going to starfleet academy.
2254: Mission to Talos system may or may not happen. Enterprise not built yet.
2260s: Construction finally begins on Enterprise.
Kirk (lin late 20, early 30s) given opportunity to join starfleet after run in with pike

 

[sunburn800]

I think Nero is after Kirk and spock after all he does attack Vulcan too,and spock seems to be one of the few who can stop him with some help of the enterprise crew.

 

[gastrof]

To give a quick rundown with a bit of speculation.

2330s or so Nero Destroys USS Kelvin killing George Kirk Sr.
Kirk is raised by uncle.
Constitution project redesigned and delayed 15-20 to counter Romulan threat.
2250: Kirk becomes town drunk instead of going to starfleet academy.
2254: Mission to Talos system may or may not happen. Enterprise not built yet.
2260s: Construction finally begins on Enterprise.
Kirk (lin late 20, early 30s) given opportunity to join starfleet after run in with pike

Some of what you're saying conflicts with the established years mentioned above. Also, have NO idea why you're saying the Talos mission "may not happen".

Wait and see. By the way...

Why do you say Enterprise is built with Kirk in his late 20s or early 30s? Is Pine that old? Is he playing Kirk that old in the motorcycle scene?

 

[Kelso]

To give a quick rundown with a bit of speculation.

2330s or so Nero Destroys USS Kelvin killing George Kirk Sr.
Kirk is raised by uncle.
Constitution project redesigned and delayed 15-20 to counter Romulan threat.
2250: Kirk becomes town drunk instead of going to starfleet academy.
2254: Mission to Talos system may or may not happen. Enterprise not built yet.
2260s: Construction finally begins on Enterprise.
Kirk (lin late 20, early 30s) given opportunity to join starfleet after run in with pike

This makes the most sense.

Judging by the ages of the actors playing Pike, Chekov and Spock... 2262-2265 seems like a good timeframe for the launch of the new Enterprise.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

To give a quick rundown with a bit of speculation.

2330s or so Nero Destroys USS Kelvin killing George Kirk Sr.
Kirk is raised by uncle.
Constitution project redesigned and delayed 15-20 to counter Romulan threat.
2250: Kirk becomes town drunk instead of going to starfleet academy.
2254: Mission to Talos system may or may not happen. Enterprise not built yet.
2260s: Construction finally begins on Enterprise.
Kirk (lin late 20, early 30s) given opportunity to join starfleet after run in with pike

Some of what you're saying conflicts with the established years mentioned above. Also, have NO idea why you're saying the Talos mission "may not happen".

Wait and see. By the way...

Why do you say Enterprise is built with Kirk in his late 20s or early 30s? Is Pine that old? Is he playing Kirk that old in the motorcycle scene?

well It kind of looks like the Enterprise is built aroud then in the trailer.

oh and

Spoiler: Star Trek IX interview

Orci confirmed that the movie is in an alternate timeline here
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-...-real-science/

 

[gastrof]

Why do you say Enterprise is built with Kirk in his late 20s or early 30s? Is Pine that old? Is he playing Kirk that old in the motorcycle scene?

well It kind of looks like the Enterprise is built aroud then in the trailer.

oh and

Spoiler: Star Trek IX interview

Orci confirmed that the movie is in an alternate timeline here
http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-...-real-science/

The trailer doesn't say what age Kirk is in the motorcycle scene where he's looking at the ship being constructed. See above. I suggest an age of 17-21.

As for the spoiler, it's no spoiler. We already know there are differences between the Kirk-era Trek we know (TOS) and how the movie ends up going. This thread is attempting to figure out how the new timeline is going. What's different, why it's different, and how it's the same.

 

[gastrof]

...Judging by the ages of the actors playing Pike, Chekov and Spock... 2262-2265 seems like a good timeframe for the launch of the new Enterprise.

But we don't know that the Enterprise is newly launched then. Pike could still have been her commander for several years by the time the main "action" in the movie (Kirk and Spock on the ship) takes place.

I do like your idea where Chekov is concerned, tho'. Would explain a little.

Kirk's looks might not have changed very much between the age of 21 and when he's actually on the ship.

You know something? We've made it to December without the movie opening, and now it's only five months away, instead of "another YEAR!" like when they first changed the release date.

I think we're gonna make it.

Now, let's get back to fan-gabbing about little things like this. It's STILL fun, and we DO have five months more of this, and who knows how long AFTER the movie, discussing new timeline stuff they DIDN'T explain onscreen!

 

[BenRoethig]

To give a quick rundown with a bit of speculation.

2330s or so Nero Destroys USS Kelvin killing George Kirk Sr.
Kirk is raised by uncle.
Constitution project redesigned and delayed 15-20 to counter Romulan threat.
2250: Kirk becomes town drunk instead of going to starfleet academy.
2254: Mission to Talos system may or may not happen. Enterprise not built yet.
2260s: Construction finally begins on Enterprise.
Kirk (lin late 20, early 30s) given opportunity to join starfleet after run in with pike

Some of what you're saying conflicts with the established years mentioned above. Also, have NO idea why you're saying the Talos mission "may not happen".

The original pilot, the cage takes place in 2254 (also the same year ENS. James T. Kirk graduated from academy in the original timeline). Since the Enterprise had not been built yet in this timeline, the events cannot take place as they did. Pike may have been involved in command of another ship or another ship with another crew may have gone to Talos IV.

Wait and see. By the way...

Why do you say Enterprise is built with Kirk in his late 20s or early 30s? Is Pine that old? Is he playing Kirk that old in the motorcycle scene?

Pine is 28. The one thing that really can't be changed by Nero is Kirk's birth year of 2233.

 

[gastrof]

Some of what you're saying conflicts with the established years mentioned above. Also, have NO idea why you're saying the Talos mission "may not happen".

The original pilot, the cage takes place in 2254 (also the same year ENS. James T. Kirk graduated from academy in the original timeline). Since the Enterprise had not been built yet in this timeline, the events cannot take place as they did. Pike may have been involved in command of another ship or another ship with another crew may have gone to Talos IV.

Why do you say Enterprise is built with Kirk in his late 20s or early 30s? Is Pine that old? Is he playing Kirk that old in the motorcycle scene?

Pine is 28. The one thing that really can't be changed by Nero is Kirk's birth year of 2233.

For one thing, I suggest above the possble launch dates (with Pike as Captain) as somewhere between 2252 and 2256.

This leaves open the Talos mission date. Besides, if Enterprise launched with Pike in 2256, they could still end up visiting Talos IV.

As for Pine being 28, there's nothing that says Kirk is 28 when he's watching the Enterprise being built while on the motorcycle. He could be a few years younger.

 

[Kelso]

But we don't know that the Enterprise is newly launched then. Pike could still have been her commander for several years by the time the main "action" in the movie (Kirk and Spock on the ship) takes place.

Uggh, I can't remember what level of spoilers are allowed without coding. I wish we had a separate spoiler forum.

Spoiler: Spoilers

According to the reports, Pike leaves Spock in Command of the Enterprise and says something like "Be careful, she's brand new". It would appear that the "main action" of the film is the Enterprise's first mission.

This leaves open the Talos mission date. Besides, if Enterprise launched with Pike in 2256, they could still end up visiting Talos IV.

In the original timeline, Talos happened in 2253 (assuming S1 was 2266).

 

[gastrof]

Uggh, I can't remember what level of spoilers are allowed without coding. I wish we had a separate spoiler forum.

Spoiler: Spoilers

According to the reports, Pike leaves Spock in Command of the Enterprise and says something like "Be careful, she's brand new". It would appear that the "main action" of the film is the Enterprise's first mission.

In the original timeline, Talos happened in 2253 (assuming S1 was 2266).

And someone above said 2254. My point is, Talos IV could still happen.

As for the spoiler, let's wait and see rather than depending on "reports".

If this is another timeline deviation, tho', then it is. We've already seen that the backstory to several episodes may be getting erased totally. This may be another example.