Didn't the computer in the original Tron originally want to take over the programs in the Pentagon and the Kremlin?
TRON: Legacy - Review and Grading
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Didn't the computer in the original Tron originally want to take over the programs in the Pentagon and the Kremlin?
No idea; haven't seen it.
Well, if it were, one would certainly have wondered why Flynn made no apparent efforts at all to send out an SOS, danger to his disk or not.
OTOH, if it ain't, how was Clu able to send the page?
You guys are harshing my Zen, man.
Maybe I read the movie wrong, but I got the impression their world was located on some isolated server that had been ignored for years. Even the new Encom didn't seem to be connected to it.
The fact Sam had to explain Wi-Fi and all the other technological advances to his dad just seemed to drive the point home even further.
I always got the impression that, in the original Tron, the real world wasn't a specific place, that it didn't even have to be USA or any specific place. It was just a concept of a reality and culture much like ours, but not a particular place that actually exists.
An old 300 baud modem? It'd be capable of dialing a pager.
Flynn did say that he came up with a WiFi-like system in 1985...
He failed to get it to market because at the time he didn't have a Clu.
I did like when Sam powered up the hidden computer room under the arcade all of the computers made that late 80s clicking noises hard-drives were prone to back then while operating.
You'd sort-of thing the matter/transporter thing they were messing with in the first movie would have radically changed the world in numerous ways but it seemed relatively mundane during this movie.
You'd sort-of thing the matter/transporter thing they were messing with in the first movie would have radically changed the world in numerous ways but it seemed relatively mundane during this movie.
On a number that's been "disconnected for twenty years?"
Well someone got in serious trouble for using it on Admiral Archer's dog, so they had to shut down the program.
You'd think that after 20 years it'd be re-assigned. I think Spoony's rants (linked to above) were a bit extreme but I also, sort-of, agree with him that the people who made this movie didn't seem to care too much about linking it to the original or even seemed to know anything about the real-world of computers and the internet. (Considering, as Spoony pointed out, that the CEO and the board freaked out pretty quickly on the OS being put on the internet and the negative effects of it all happened pretty damn quick. Considering even today whenever MS releases a new OS a pirated version makes it on line pretty damn fast and even times before the street date.)
It's possible that the number wasn't "disconnected" just that it hadn't be used. Because it seems that the arcade still had utilities provided for it (most notably electricity and we could extend from that heat (gas) and water) it's possible was the phone was less "disconnected" and more "hasn't been used." That's to say the the number was still assigned to the arcade, and was being paid for, but just wasn't actually being used by anyone there (since the arcade was unoccupied and unused.)
Also, considering the conservation of mass and energy where did Olivia Wilde's physical body come from to appear in the real world? Did the LASER draw the billions of terrawatts it'd need from the powergrid in order to create the energy it'd need to make her mass? I mean at least Sam's body mass went somewhere and existed. Yeah it'd still take a shot-ton of energy to decompile and reconstruct it but at least it has something to go off of. But Olivia Wilde's character was made out of nothing! Wouldn't want his electric bill at the end of the month.
Oh, and just to mention again, holy HELL she's hot in this. She was cute and fun too, loved the way she was laughing about the goings-on in the car when she first got Sam and other moments with her. Hell, this movie is worth watching for her alone.
It's possible that the number wasn't "disconnected" just that it hadn't be used. Because it seems that the arcade still had utilities provided for it (most notably electricity and we could extend from that heat (gas) and water) it's possible was the phone was less "disconnected" and more "hasn't been used." That's to say the the number was still assigned to the arcade, and was being paid for, but just wasn't actually being used by anyone there (since the arcade was unoccupied and unused.)
Also, considering the conservation of mass and energy where did Olivia Wilde's physical body come from to appear in the real world? Did the LASER draw the billions of terrawatts it'd need from the powergrid in order to create the energy it'd need to make her mass? I mean at least Sam's body mass went somewhere and existed. Yeah it'd still take a shot-ton of energy to decompile and reconstruct it but at least it has something to go off of. But Olivia Wilde's character was made out of nothing! Wouldn't want his electric bill at the end of the month.
Oh, and just to mention again, holy HELL she's hot in this. She was cute and fun too, loved the way she was laughing about the goings-on in the car when she first got Sam and other moments with her. Hell, this movie is worth watching for her alone.
^ About Quorra's physical form: Going on the assumption, as some do, that the computer world isn't literally a world inside the computer, but is rather a 'parallel' world of its own that just happens to be reached via the laser, then there wouldn't be a problem reconstituting her in our world (or Sam & Flynn in hers), since the body would be the same.
On a number that's been "disconnected for twenty years?"
The line still being connected would probably be the least implausible thing that happened in this movie.
Eh. I don't buy into the parallel world theory and that it's more of a "world" inside the computer. Isn't that the whole idea behind it? That all of these "programs" are just manifestations of computer programs and actions? In the first movie alone the "idea" is that the LASER digitized the person and stored the information on the computer (making them a "program") not that it was transporting them to another/parallel world.
So that means when Quorra appeared in the "real world" the mass that made up her lovely, perfect, body had to come from somewhere and that "somewhere" is energy and the energy it'd take to make a full person is quite huge. The energy it'd take to make a 110lb woman's body (pure guess on my part as to OW's weight) is 4.5 quadrillion joules. Or about the about the amount of energy 100,000 Americans use in one year.
^ And yet Clu dithered on sending the page for two decades, knowing the phone line could be unplugged and/or the magic laser/hard drive/power scrapped at any time?
I'd be willing to suspend disbelief if they gave us any explanation to this, no matter how weird, but we get bupkis.
... Which also answers the question of what Quorra was thinking in that last shot: "I wonder what this little maniac would like to do first?"
I'd be willing to suspend disbelief if they gave us any explanation to this, no matter how weird, but we get bupkis.
Well, at least there you can play the "magic Iso" card. (The mass required for Clu's army is another matter entirely, which reinforces my belief that he should have been planning to take over the Internet.) After all, we've already seen an Iso cross over to the real world, and she had all sorts of powers:
The other last Iso.
... Which also answers the question of what Quorra was thinking in that last shot: "I wonder what this little maniac would like to do first?"
Yeah, Clu's army would've taken a pretty substantial amount of energy. It'd make "more sense" if they were saying they were using the internet, the new operating system or something like that to take over the bodies of people at their computers, to transfer the "consciousness" of the programs through the computer into a physical "user's" body either by an electrical transference or a "reprogramming" by subliminal messages or something along those lines on the screen. That would've made more sense than "an entire army of soldiers appearing out of nowhere."
I'd think that "teaching" Quorra on how life is in the real world would be... interesting. She would be in for some interesting pleasures (assuming sex is different in on The Grid and even that The Dude was giving it to her) and Sam would be in for some annoying questions. Hell he'd probably want to be like Data in "The Offspring" when Data gets annoyed (?!) with the questions Lal asks and he simply turns her off until she can go to school.
The last scene with Sam and Quorra -and Quorra seeing the sun- was sweet though and Olivia Wilde looked so nice and comfy on the bike snuggles up to Sam's back. :love:
But when she was talking to Sam on The Grid I totally got the "Tell me of your homeworld." vibe from her.
I'd think that "teaching" Quorra on how life is in the real world would be... interesting. She would be in for some interesting pleasures (assuming sex is different in on The Grid and even that The Dude was giving it to her) and Sam would be in for some annoying questions. Hell he'd probably want to be like Data in "The Offspring" when Data gets annoyed (?!) with the questions Lal asks and he simply turns her off until she can go to school.
The last scene with Sam and Quorra -and Quorra seeing the sun- was sweet though and Olivia Wilde looked so nice and comfy on the bike snuggles up to Sam's back. :love:
But when she was talking to Sam on The Grid I totally got the "Tell me of your homeworld." vibe from her.
Just watched it yesterday with my bosses and coworkers, we took a few hours off from work and went and watched it. It was pretty intense, visually. I disagree with the previous poster saying the 3D was subpar. I actually think they utilized their 3D a lot better than Avatar did and it actually felt like I was fully immersed into the world of The Grid. It was a bit more subtle but really engaging. The story was meh, but man what an experience! And all on the company's dime! Loved it. Gonna go back with the wifey and see it in IMAX 3D this time.
The issue with Clu planning to beam an army into LA is why the subspace explanation is more appealing to me. Legacy already performs a few soft retcons on Tron (and arguably a couple of hard ones) to make the concept work as a more long term science fiction setting.
If the digital domain is a subspace realm that's merely shaped by electrical devices (including human minds) in this reality, then the energy required for manifesting an army in our world would come from the other side. The Portal did appear to be channeling a vast amount of energy.
It also fits with the disaster scenario of Clu getting what he wanted; I tend to imagine the result would be a massive explosion taking out the city as a subspace rupture formed.
If the digital domain is a subspace realm that's merely shaped by electrical devices (including human minds) in this reality, then the energy required for manifesting an army in our world would come from the other side. The Portal did appear to be channeling a vast amount of energy.
It also fits with the disaster scenario of Clu getting what he wanted; I tend to imagine the result would be a massive explosion taking out the city as a subspace rupture formed.