In absolute fairness. Dealing with those kids would have me past my last nerves too.


The little blue guy was my favorite! 

In absolute fairness. Dealing with those kids would have me past my last nerves too.
I get what you mean and I know the tactic. His demeanor in every other way in both episodes goes against the idea of winning people over, so I lean toward it being more a power trip than anything else because NO ONE is going call the captain by his first name.I don't think it's disrespectful per se. Knowing everyone's name is a pretty old trick at quickly winning people over.
I think he uses it as a shortcut to establishing himself - see also his first sentence to Riker being about making it clear that he's done his homework and knows Riker's service history. And therefore he knows what he's doing.
It is apparently at odds with his more disciplinarian approach, and his claim to prefer "formality" on the bridge regarding Troi's uniform. But he quickly withdraws the courtesy when Riker pisses him off.
He's basically wrapping his iron fist in a velvet glove.
He seemed to me as a captain who was sufficiently confident and self-assured that he simply didn't need to bully.
There's a difference between blustering - projecting the appearance of confidence where none exists - and actually HAVING confidence. Jellico, in my mind, was definitely the latter.
Yep, this is the point I made a couple of pages back. I think his behaviour is a result of a lack of confidence and trying to use control freakery to give himself a sense of order over an unfamiliar and uncomfortable situation.Well, that's interesting... because when Riker suggests that Jellico is confident, Troi immediately shuts the idea down:
DATA: Captain on the Bridge.
JELLICO: Let him stew for a few minutes, then go in and tell him you'veconvinced me to meet with him one more time. Tell him I'm a loose cannon and that he needs to be more reasonable because I'm such an unreasonable man. Lemec will want to bring his own aides on board. Pretend to be worried that I'll object, and then give grudging permission for two aides, no more. Understood?
TROI: Yes, sir.
RIKER: Aye, sir.
(Jellico goes into his Ready room)
RIKER: Well, I'll say this for him. He's sure of himself.
TROI: No, he's not.
Counterpoint, Jellico might have done his homework and knew how much staff Geordi actually needed to implement the changes and to run the engineering department efficiently. If a third of the engineering staff can be reassigned and outside of Geordi complaining once no problem arises that's a sign that third wasn't really needed.I agree that he probably was under pressure, but as an example from the episode, having 1/3 of your engineering staff moved into security after you order your chief engineer to do massive changes is neither efficient nor well thought out. At least let Geordi finish (or get close to being finished) those major changes before you throw so much of his staff into a completely different department.
Riker couldn't have been a bit better, he could have been much better. As XO it is literally his job to run the ship as the captain demands, it's not his job to know better and not implement the changes the captain wants. If he thought a four shift rotation would lead to problems he should have brought this up immediately and explain the exact reasons to Jellico so that he can reassess the situation but ultimately the choice is still the captain's. Simply not implementing the changes and not informing the captain until he asks about it is the worst thing Riker could have done.Riker could have been a bit better, but Jellico certainly didn't help matters.
Counter to your counterpoint: we don't hear about any problems with the lack of engineering personnel on screen, but there could very well have been some. And Data, being Geordi's best friend, almost certainly would have been helping him out pretty much every off duty minute he could since he doesn't require sleep. And he's fast and efficient and can probably do the work of 10 people on his staff at the exact same time. So having someone like that on your side helping out is going to smooth over a LOT of whatever issues may come up.Counterpoint, Jellico might have done his homework and knew how much staff Geordi actually needed to implement the changes and to run the engineering department efficiently. If a third of the engineering staff can be reassigned and outside of Geordi complaining once no problem arises that's a sign that third wasn't really needed.
Riker couldn't have been a bit better, he could have been much better. As XO it is literally his job to run the ship as the captain demands, it's not his job to know better and not implement the changes the captain wants. If he thought a four shift rotation would lead to problems he should have brought this up immediately and explain the exact reasons to Jellico so that he can reassess the situation but ultimately the choice is still the captain's. Simply not implementing the changes and not informing the captain until he asks about it is the worst thing Riker could have done.
I still don't see how Jellico didn't help matters, he was the commanding officer, it was not his job to adjust his command style or preferences to the crew's expectations.
None of Jellico's orders were objectively problematic, the crew simply didn't like them but that's a "tough shit, do your job and stop whining" situation.
And of course Riker has always been unprofessional, if he liked a subordinate officer he was their buddy and they could get away with a lot, if he didn't like them he got super pissy and dressed them down at every opportunity.
Counterpoint, Jellico might have done his homework and knew how much staff Geordi actually needed to implement the changes and to run the engineering department efficiently. If a third of the engineering staff can be reassigned and outside of Geordi complaining once no problem arises that's a sign that third wasn't really needed.
If he thought a four shift rotation would lead to problems he should have brought this up immediately
Counterpoint, Jellico might have done his homework and knew how much staff Geordi actually needed to implement the changes and to run the engineering department efficiently. If a third of the engineering staff can be reassigned and outside of Geordi complaining once no problem arises that's a sign that third wasn't really needed.
Riker couldn't have been a bit better, he could have been much better. As XO it is literally his job to run the ship as the captain demands, it's not his job to know better and not implement the changes the captain wants
If he thought a four shift rotation would lead to problems he should have brought this up immediately and explain the exact reasons to Jellico so that he can reassess the situation but ultimately the choice is still the captain's. Simply not implementing the changes and not informing the captain until he asks about it is the worst thing Riker could have done.
Fortunately the crew didn't need to go into battle completely exhausted
It still bothers me to this day that Janeway's chair is not in the center.I just took this to be a nod to Voyager which Prodigy is effectively a sequel to.
Why is that? For me, I feel like each show was trying to show us something different.It still bothers me to this day that Janeway's chair is not in the center.
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