Trip & T'Pol: The Good That They Do

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  1. HopefulRomantic

    HopefulRomantic Phloxist Moderator Moderator

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    You go to the same place to find both sets of pictures. On my website, go to the avatars and screencaps page and click on whatever Season 3 episode you're after. Once you're in that episode folder, you'll see a link for Tery's caps for that episode. Just click on that link to view her pictures.

    Tery also made hi-res caps for a few episodes in Season 4 before RL stole her away-- Home, Awakening, (huge-- 1440 x 810), In a Mirror Darkly I (1280 x 720), and Storm Front I. I'll be uploading those as well.
     
  2. tothebridge

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    OK, a few T/T highlights and comments re: Monday's SciFi block....

    Starting with the first neuropressure session....Looking at some of the pre-S3 interviews, there was talk of more sexy, fun elements in S3, which presumably was supposed to include elements like T'Pol's new hairdo and outfits and the neuropressure. Seems like meditation would've been more in keeping with overall tone of the season.(sigh) Oh well....

    I didn't cap the entire scene because some of it tends to make my eyes twitch, but as mentioned before, one of the little parts that stands out is this one.

    T'Pol offers to return the favor (of neuropressure) to Trip and asks him to disrobe.
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    Trip is flattered (and a little flustered too)
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    and starts to decline politely (at least I think he's trying to decline).... "And don't think under different circumstances, I wouldn't jump at the chance."
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    T'Pol's expression says it all.... She wants to know if he's implying that she's making sexual advances.
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    Trip realizes he's made a big mistake and starts backtracking. "No...."
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    and as T'Pol waits for an explanation
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    Trip continues, "No, no, no, not at all...," and tries to blame his comments on the "sedative" that Phlox supposedly gave him
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    Finally he gives up and starts to leave before he buries himself completely. And of course, the whole ruse unravels at that point.
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    Now that little scene does fit with the idea that Trip hasn't been exposed to a lot of different cultures and tends to look at things (as some of us do as well) through our own lenses. So he assigns a certain meaning to T'Pol's actions. I actually prefer the way The Expanse novelization handles that scene because it gives more of Trip's POV and also has more dialogue (with T'Pol trying to get him to stay) which makes the reasons for Trip's reaction a bit more obvious.


    Not much T/T from "Anomaly" except this one.

    Decisions, decisions... an evening with Phlox's creatures on his stomach or an hour of neuropressure with T'Pol.
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    More to come....
     
  3. tothebridge

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    Next up, the peaches scene from "Extinction."

    Banter and teasing is fine, but it's also nice to see the gentlemanly side of Trip on occasion.


    Trip brings T'Pol a gift of Georgia peaches.
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    He wants her to try one, but T'Pol says she doesn't usually eat that late.
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    Trip puts on his best "Pretty please?" expression, and
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    T'Pol relents and takes one bite of a peach.
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    As Trip waits expectantly for her reaction,
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    T'Pol simply stares for a moment
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    And then gives him a subtle smile. :)
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    But then she remembers that Mr. Tucker needs more balanced feedback, so she tells him that the peaches won't make up for the two previous sessions that he cancelled.
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    Trip says that he's been busy...and comments that it's not like he didn't want to come back.... :)
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    A little later, Trip prepares for neuropressure.
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    Initially, he's worried about his feet (the smell and being ticklish).
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    But not for long....
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    Nice scene. :)
     
  4. JiNX-01

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    Nice, but these pictures come from Extinction. Remember? Trip gets T'Pol's DNA from the peach she bit into...
     
  5. tothebridge

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    ^^Yep, thanks.... I just realized I switched the episode titles, so I'll correct it. I have "Raijin" on the brain because that one's coming up next.... ;)
     
  6. tothebridge

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    The Raijin 'rumors' neuropressure scene.

    Everytime I watch this scene, I think I interpret it a bit differently. I'm still not entirely sure what T'Pol was implying re: the issue of fraternization between Trip and herself. But this time I thought the focus of the scene was more on the idea that rumors about T/T had started and that Trip was concerned about it. Anyway, these caps are mainly a lot of facial expressions, which are always interesting with T/T.


    Just because I like the the lighting, symmetry and mood of this cap....
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    Trip says that 'People are talking....'
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    T'Pol 'frowns' slightly as she probably wonders what Trip means
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    Trip elaborates -- says that people are talking about him coming to T'Pol's quarters every night and speculating that there's more going on than neuropressure.
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    T'Pol responds, 'And this bothers you?'
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    Trip says that he knows it shouldn't, but.... And he relates a teasing comment that Malcolm made.
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    T'Pol says that they're both senior officers and if they were involved in a relationship, it wouldn't be Lt. Reed's concern.
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    Trip looks a bit surprised at her response.
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    T'Pol asks if they should continue.
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    And Trip gives her a slight smile, apparently glad to have cleared the air.
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    So, that's three neuropressure sessions in the first four episodes. What did you think about the neuropressure sessions as a T/T storyline at this point?
     
  7. Captain X

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    It sort of makes me wonder at what point she thought about a relationship with him. This seems to me like an indication, yet later in Similitude she acts like she hadn't really thought of anything like that yet.
     
  8. JiNX-01

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    Looks like someone's in love... what a beautiful expression in those eyes...
     
  9. Reanok

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    Ttothebridge those are wonderful Screencaps. You captured the perfect moments from those shows. I like them alot.
     
  10. pookha

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    she may have thought of it but pushed it aside because she wasnt aware of how he thought.
     
  11. tennisgirl

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    Well, I really like these scenes... In The Xindi, I like the misunderstanding and Trip's general reaction. It is rather funny. When T'Pol asks him if he thinks she's making advances at hi and he goes all, "No, no, no..." :guffaw: In Anomaly, I was really cheering for Pholx. Way to go, doc! Slugs or VNP, you choice Trip... :guffaw: In Extinction, let's just say I'd skip this episode altogether if it wasn't for the peaches scene. It is just lovely; great look on Jolene's face (but then again, she really mastered facial expressions in these last seasons). Very sweet from Trip. And in Rajin, that dialogue is awesome... And Trip's smile after T'Pol tells him it wouldn't be anybody's business is priceless... Good scenes... :thumbsup:

    So, after these, we get to see VNP scenes on Similitude and Harbinger and that's it, right?
     
  12. tothebridge

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    ^^Yes, I think the only other n-p sessions are in “Similitude” and “Harbinger.” Will be interesting to see if folks’ views have changed on those two.

    Thanks...glad you like them. :)

    I enjoy trying to decipher those expressions -- part of the fun part of making the caps. That "Raijin" scene has some great Trip expressions, especially towards the end -- surprise, gratitude, maybe a bit of relief, etc. I don't think Trip wanted to end the sessions -- they were helping him -- but the chivalrous part of him felt that he needed to make T'Pol aware of the rumors and even suggest ending the sessions to protect her reputation.


    I still think of "Similitude" as the point when T’Pol really started to think of a potential relationship in more than hypothetical terms because that’s when she learned that Trip likely had developed feelings for her. By that time, I suspect T’Pol knew on some level that she also was developing a connection to Trip, so the realization that there were “mutual” feelings probably made the possibility of a relationship seem more real.

    In the "Raijin" scene, however, I tend to think T'Pol is talking about a relationship in a hypothetical sense. It doesn't seem that she was aware of the rumors, and I don’t think she would’ve been thinking in those terms at that point. So it seemed she was considering what Trip said and doing her best to allay his concerns by dismissing the gossip and responding in an objective, gentle manner.

    I do think it’s interesting, though, that T’Pol doesn’t seem very alarmed or disturbed by the rumors and that seems to be a reflection of how much her attitude had changed since Phlox's initial request. Initially, she was concerned about the potential intimacy of the procedure, but by the time of “Raijin,” she and Trip seemed to have developed a level of comfort with the n-p and each other – to the point that T’Pol was seemingly “encouraging” him to continue the sessions.

    I keep going back to The Expanse novelization because the way T’Pol’s POV is handled in that book seems to track well with how I interpreted the onscreen events. In the novel, T’Pol realizes and reflects on the true magnitude of her decision to stay on ENT -- that she has essentially given up her career, her family, and even her planet. But the fact that she has been very helpful to the humans – including commanding the effort to retrieve Archer & Trip from the mines and helping Trip sleep – reinforces her view that it was the right decision and she thinks that the humans are her “family” now.

    There’s a nice POV segment in the novel which gives some insight into T’Pol’s thoughts on the neuropressure and Trip in general. Despite the initial “misunderstanding,” T’Pol is glad that she was able to help Trip. She thinks of him as prone to strong emotions but also sees him as intelligent, considerate, and capable of a great deal more compassion than he normally displayed. So, she’s glad that she didn’t reject Phlox’s suggestion.

    That’s sort of fits with how I see those neuropressure sessions (from T’Pol’s POV) – they gave her a chance to see a different side of Trip and something other than the banter/teasing/arguments they normally engaged in and also allowed her to connect with someone on a different level than the day-to-day interactions that she typically experienced.
     
  13. boushh

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    Yeah, me too. There is also a naturally comfortable vibe that starts to develop between the two of them too, most notably in "Extinction" (aside from the disrobing discomfort), "Rajiin" and in tonight's "Impulse".

    I also have to agree that in "Rajiin" she's thinking in hypothetical terms, though it's interesting to note that she doesn't flat out dismiss a relationship altogether. There was no Vulcan equivalent of: "WTF? I wouldn't be caught dead with you, so obviously they don't know what they're talking about."

    Anyway, all these scenes in the first four episodes of the season offer something good and something a little different from each other.

    "The Xindi" had the humor component, and the whole ruse.

    "Extinction" had the peace offering, and gentlemanly Trip, and yeah some humor as well, just a more gentle and way less confrontation type.

    "Rajiin" had the relationship conversation that sort of felt intimate and quiet in tone, that left Trip and perhaps the audience reassured about different things. ;) It had them working together, and a plan to meet up later, even it was just to get Trip to relax. It also had Trip attempting to come to T'Pol's rescue when he notices something is amiss.

    So all in all, I think it was a good block for TnT last week. :)
     
  14. tennisgirl

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    I'd have to say that my two favorite VNP scenes are the Rajin one and the Similitude one (great episode yet to come in Sci-Fi). There's a level of comfort in those scenes. They look more at ease around each other, and there's a great level of trust in there. :)
     
  15. pookha

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    the one in simitude is especially nice with the level of comfort they have.

    going to home for a second the more i am looking at stuff the more it is seems she took trip home to see how her mother would react to trip . and if she didnt like tles reaction she was mostly going to ignore it.
    she told her if she accpted the commission she wouldnt be comimg home for a long time.. guess why.
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    ^^ The neuro-pressure scene in "Similitude" is my favorite of the bunch too, mostly because of that comfort level that it projects. Again, it's so natural and gentle a scene, even with that little bit of innuendo at the end. I just like the way they are conversing while they seemingly are doing stuff that is probably coming second nature to them at this point.

    About "Home", there may have been a couple of reasons that T'Pol asked him to go with her. Maybe she wanted him to see her planet and her home. Of course she probably figured they'd meet up with her Mom, and she may have been thinking to pull that "collegue" bit as far as she could, but her Mom is too observant for that apparently. I suppose it would have been smart of them *not* to do the flirty banter thing out in the courtyard, but who knew T'Les would be home? ;)

    I think also that perhaps she did want some support (someone mentioned it in the other thread) since she had not been home in a long time, and with her emotional control compromised she may have suspected she'd need a shoulder to lean on. She mentioned as much in "Countdown". One might look at the potential "support" POV as an extension of that conversation.

    Ah well, I'm rambling and I'm tired. I don't even know if I'm making sense at this point.
     
  17. HopefulRomantic

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    tothebridge, I'm really enjoying your screencaps a lot. Thank you for all the time you're taking to make them and post them for us. :)

    Though I haven't had a chance to take part in the discussion, I've been reading along with great interest. Wonderful stuff.
     
  18. Captain X

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    I don't really know about the Similitude session. Part of it is that I really have to laugh whenever it comes to that shot with Trip with his head in T'Pol's lap. :lol:
     
  19. Reanok

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    I really like that np scene from Similtude you see that they were relaxed and comfortable in each others company. I think T'Pol seemed to enjoy the conversations they had. Also about Home T'Pol wanted to show Trip her homeworld and wondered how her mother would react to her bringing a human home with her.I think T'Les was very displeased at first. T'Pol didn't get along with her.Poor Trip was so uncomfortable in that breakfast scene when T'Les asked if human childen chose their careers Vulcan disaproval indeed. when T'Pol and T'les argued about her choce to leave Vulcan and her interst in other worlds.Trip was really uneasy being caught in the middle.I thought it was intersting when T'Pol mentioned her father would have approved of her exploring alien worlds and joining Starfleet.We see that T'Pol had different ideas about her future . her mother mentioning she should work for the good of Vulcan society ouch.That was like a slap in the face.Don't argue in front of the guest. :lol:
     
  20. JiNX-01

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    Yeah, Trip's discomfort was pretty obvious. I wonder if he was recalling that he was the one who encouraged T'Pol to walk away from her "family obligation" to marry Koss and stay on Enterprise. I'll bet he was hoping she wasn't going to ask about that! :lol:
     
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