This error seems almost intentional...
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This error seems almost intentional...
Perhaps Freeman doesn't consider Lt. J.G. a senior officer rank?
If I'm not mistaken worf still held the rank of Lt Junior Grade when he was transferred/promoted into Ops and became Chief Of Security and didn't become a full Lt until awhile after. I do believe he was a considered a member of the senior staff well still holding the rank of Lt Junior Grade.
Something I imagine is handled in different ways depending on the captain and ship.
I just assumed Mariner had previously held a the rank of Lieutenant JG before being busted down to Ensign, so Freeman made her a full Lieutenant this time.
As for Shaxs's ever changing rank insignia, likely an animation error. Such things happen.
As for Shaxs's ever changing rank insignia, likely an animation error. Such things happen.
Quite often in Trek's case it seems
Russ showed up to work with the wrong number of pips more than once.
This is such a non issue.
This is such a non issue.
With live actors, this would be sort of trivial. They have to dress up for work every morning, just like the characters the pretend to be. Forgetting to apply the correct number of little pips only follows, for both actors and their characters, every now and then (and the only issue there is that the day of an actor proceeds differently from the day of a character, so the pips may come and go as the shots change).
With cartoon characters... Not so much. They never undress (except apparently quite frequently in LDS, but aaaaanyway), and adding or removing a pip is an immense chore, an action requiring effort above and beyond making the hair or the boobs swing. And saying that effort equals deliberation is typically not all that far off the mark.
Timo Saloniemi
With cartoon characters... Not so much. They never undress (except apparently quite frequently in LDS, but aaaaanyway), and adding or removing a pip is an immense chore, an action requiring effort above and beyond making the hair or the boobs swing. And saying that effort equals deliberation is typically not all that far off the mark.
Timo Saloniemi
RDM's Battlestar Galactica costume department also played fast and loose with the rank devices, particularly with the junior enlisted folks. They all looked very much alike (which rank devices really should never be IRL), so it's easy to understand why this happens regularly.
I'm still convinced that they never intended to have a Lt. Colonel rank, but when they needed one for Fisk in Razor, prior to his dramatic "promotion" to full Colonel and XO of the Pegasus. They needed something to promote him from (instead of using the already-established "Major" grade for some odd reason), so they used what I believe to be one of the lesser-used Warrant Officer rank devices that looked very similar to Colonel.
I'm still convinced that they never intended to have a Lt. Colonel rank, but when they needed one for Fisk in Razor, prior to his dramatic "promotion" to full Colonel and XO of the Pegasus. They needed something to promote him from (instead of using the already-established "Major" grade for some odd reason), so they used what I believe to be one of the lesser-used Warrant Officer rank devices that looked very similar to Colonel.
Trek pips are sort of prominent and easy to get at a glance. TOS sleeve stripes, too. Where Trek had it different was VOY, with the Maquis devices that did feature custom versions for Torres (two slashes, even if whether those were bright or dark varied) and Chakotay (two and a half, or 2 bright, 1 dark, slashes for the correct LCdr). These were difficult to discern, so the rest got away with generic or random devices.
While the TOS movie devices were pretty distinctive, they didn't cover all the bases, and sometimes were omitted altogether (the exact ratings of Yeomen Burke and Samno trouble me to no end). Oh, well, at least they weren't applied incorrectly - except for Valeris... I doubt the folks over at Costuming Dept really understood the system.
In contrast with those, the TNG era pips are pretty clear-cut, as witnessed by the relative scarcity of mistakes (unless they were prolonged ones, resulting from disagreement between Costuming and Writers). Most shows with a real-world setting do much worse with real rank markers!
Timo Saloniemi
While the TOS movie devices were pretty distinctive, they didn't cover all the bases, and sometimes were omitted altogether (the exact ratings of Yeomen Burke and Samno trouble me to no end). Oh, well, at least they weren't applied incorrectly - except for Valeris... I doubt the folks over at Costuming Dept really understood the system.
In contrast with those, the TNG era pips are pretty clear-cut, as witnessed by the relative scarcity of mistakes (unless they were prolonged ones, resulting from disagreement between Costuming and Writers). Most shows with a real-world setting do much worse with real rank markers!
Timo Saloniemi
Yup, but you can rest assured it will be discussed and dissected to death.
Emphasis on "hastily stitched together."
Samno wore the pin identified in Fletchers notes as "Petty Officer 1st Class", which is IMO is clear enough, the problem comes from him being refered to as Yeoman (which should probably wear Special Services blue along with the galley staff), but wore the gold shoulder tabs of an engineer/helmsman and stood an "honor guard" post, which according to Fletcher's notes and logic is a Security Department function (wearing navy or bottle green).
Burke is a little more complicated as his insignia is that of an Able Seaman or Ables'man, but he is still referred to as a Yeoman which is somewhat in conflict with USN policy and as it is the rank immediately below "Petty Officer Second Class" may conflict with dialogue from Charlie X as to the existence of a (Petty Officer) Yeoman Third Class. It's possible that Burke's rate corresponds with the rated rank of Seaman Yeoman (E3), rather than the regular unrated Seaman (E3) rate, and would also seem to be equivalent of the latter Crewman 1st Class (Simon Tarses from The Drumhead) or a Commonwealth Navy Leading Seaman/Hand (specifically a Leading Writer in the Logistics Branch).
Simple explanation: Starfleet isn't military. 
I'm kidding, of course. Yeoman is one of those things that was a hold-over from TOS that popped up occasionally that didn't really seem to have a place in the larger world other than "Captain's Assistant". They tried to squeeze it in there in TUC to add world-building flavor but probably should have left it out for simplicity's sake.
I'm kidding, of course. Yeoman is one of those things that was a hold-over from TOS that popped up occasionally that didn't really seem to have a place in the larger world other than "Captain's Assistant". They tried to squeeze it in there in TUC to add world-building flavor but probably should have left it out for simplicity's sake.
Its a strong and proud Star Trek tradition to screw up the uniforms and ranks
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