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Given the context of the rest of the episode, I'm sure the intent was simply "Janice Lester is kookoo".
Given the context of the rest of the episode, I'm sure the intent was simply "Janice Lester is kookoo".
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I actually owned the joystick they used. Blackatz or something. 15 year old me was pretty excited about having the joystick that can fly the Enterprise, but that thing was a $15 piece of crap.
Trek's lowest moment for me is probably the energy ball in The Child.
If it's a policy in Starfleet, then a foreign starship commander doesn't come into the matter.
If a (modern day) captain of a ship is killed or disabled, the executive officer would take over, but there's no guarantee that that person , male or female, would keep command of that ship longer than it would take to replace them.
If (hypothetically) females could not legally be "unrestricted line officers" in Starfleet, then Number One would be able to temporarily take command, while still not being able to be assigned to the position of starship captain.
I mean Scotty as a engineering officer might not have been able to retain command if Kirk and Spock were killed, Starfleet would send out a new captain and first officer and Scotty would have been replaced.
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This is space. If someone takes command in a crisis, they could have that seat for months or years depending on the situation. It would make no sense to forbid women from command then place one, one step from the captain's chair.
How would this be different than (modern day) placing a executive officer aboard a naval ship, who isn't yet deemed ready for their own command? Not everyone who serves aboard a ship is going to one day command one.
This is the thing here, the Enterprise might be off by itself for weeks, but rarely months and never years. There were visits to starbases and rendezvous' with other starships, placing a new captain aboard wouldn't have been an difficulty.
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Pretty disingenuous to cut off the part of the quote that actually makes my point.
But why would an organization waste time and resources training someone for the center seat (which is what an XO is in the Trek universe) that could never actually hold said center seat?
When I have two conflicting elements, I usually go with the one that makes the most sense. It makes no sense that women in the 23rd century can't be starship captains, regardless whether Roddenberry wrote the episode or not. So I default to "The Cage", that shows us a woman XO, who also takes command during the abduction of the captain.
You don't train someone for a position that a whole class of people can never hope to obtain.
Not disingenuous in the least, your post was two positions above mine, in it's original form, for all the world to see.
There was a time (not that long ago) went the US military trained female fighter pilots, with full knowledge that legally these pilots could not be sent on combat missions. Not all executive officers go on to be ship captains, that doesn't mean their careers come to a crashing halt.
Chekov is the XO of the Reliant, and never goes on to command a Starfleet vessel.
Número Uno would have a career in Starfleet after being a XO, might eventual make admiral, but not be given command of a starship.
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Never? You can't make that assumption.
In any case, the point is that anyone who is qualified to be first officer of a ship, must logically also be qualified to be captain. You can't have one without the other, because it would make no sense.
Number One is the ship's XO. Part of an XO's duties is to take command when the captain is unavailable. If she can do that, then she must be able to be a permanent captain.
I think the inertial dampeners would make that redundant. But I suppose it would make sense to have some sort of analog input system, something a bit quicker and more intuitive than button-pushing.
Exonctly. And gaming joysticks look that way because they work.
Chekov was never on screen in command of his own a ship, never referred to as having been given command of a ship, there was never a display (say on TNG) that said he was at one time in command of a ship at one time, no canon.
Then why weren't they given command of their own a ship, instead of being assign as a first officer?
A officer goes through a number of assignments as part of their training and career, this might include shipboard postings. #1 would gain executive experience during her time on the Enterprise as the XO, which she would then take to her next assignment.
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Chekov was in command of the Enterprise-A for a time, in ST 5.
As long as Chekov is in the center seat, it IS his own command. Reasons be damned.
You're really dug in here.
I'd say not everyone stays in the service, doesn't take the offered promotion (Spock, Riker) or takes other opportunities.
But, I believe that Mr. Laser Beam was talking about being legally able to take the job. Like you wouldn't pick a non-naturalized person to be Vice-President of the US.
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