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Trek XI to be alternate timeline, according to AICN

cardinal biggles said:
Franklin said:
But why the hell would some Romulans (or Klingons or whoever, doesn't matter) think that preventing Kirk from being born is a slam dunk good thing for their future? What a stupid premise.
:rolleyes:
Makes about as much sense as cloning a Starfleet captain years before he ever comes to prominence. :thumbsup:
Quoted for Truth and Justice.
 
xortex said:
Just because Braga could have been connected to this movie doesn't mean the movie would've been worse. He could have actually said, hey, wait a minute, this is not a good idea, because... of such and such. He wouldn't make the same mistake twice and try to sabotage these guys. Why should he. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain. I should say had. I would think Paramount would rather be safe then sorry. It is yet to be seen whether these guys have a high minded concept worthy of Star Trek other than friendship and emo.

Hi, Brannon! Nice to meet you!
 
Didn't Sylvester Stallone do the first draft of Rocky in like four days? And we all know how crappy that turned out.
 
RookieBatman said:
Didn't Sylvester Stallone do the first draft of Rocky in like four days?

Yes, he did. He's since said that it was terrible, and that he rewrote it almost entirely over time, but that he found it much more productive for him as an individual to write fast and rewrite than to struggle with every sentence the first time through. I think there's a great deal to be said for that approach.
 
Danoz said:
EyalM said:
I see no reason to explain the differences between this version of ST and TOS, in the same way the Klingon ridges didn't really need explaining.

I haven't seen that enterprise episode, but it sounds like the stupidest thing ever.

Well, it was utter fanwankery start to finish, like 90% of the 4th season. I liked most of that season based merely on it's fanwank appeal, while at the same time realizing just how doomed they were.

And yeah, that was probably the most pointless episode of the season. Even the Orion death-by-seductive-stare episode was more relevant.
 
[/QUOTE]Well they said they 'got it' in a two month interval secluded in a hotel. All I have to say is prepare yourself for an emo Star Trek. Braga might have told them that this simply wasn't a good idea but I wouldn't count on it. Right now he's twidling his thumbs hoping it ends up back in his lap. It's all about money and inspiration. Braga has inside information except unfortunately he's not a team player, he's a maverick with a big brain. It's a shame they can't all play nice.

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That doesn't mean they wrote it in the hotel. JJ probably had the concept pretty much nailed before he talked to anyone. I think they were talking about the *contract* not the script. If I'm wrong, please point me to your link so I know what you're talking about.

And anyway, what does "rushed" have to do with emo? Emo just means overly emotional, nothing more nothing less. Emo kids are the ones who cry a lot for silly reasons. I would expect a "rushed" script to have more battles, and possible look like Revenge of the Sith. But I have no evidence of a rushed script.

Re: Braga, last I heard, he had his own show on Scifi -- Threshhold. So what makes you think he wants to be tied down to the Trekverse? Berman might come back -- AFAIK he's never worked on a solo project, so he needs the check. Braga will just make an American version of Dr. Who and leave Trek behind.

Just because Braga could have been connected to this movie doesn't mean the movie would've been worse. He could have actually said, hey, wait a minute, this is not a good idea, because... of such and such. He wouldn't make the same mistake twice and try to sabotage these guys. Why should he. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain. I should say had. I would think Paramount would rather be safe then sorry. It is yet to be seen whether these guys have a high minded concept worthy of Star Trek other than friendship and emo.

Frendship is not Emo. Please, if you're going use a word, find out what it means. I don't know what you mean by "Safe Trek" -- the premise we have (if correct) is pretty risky. If they wanted to make it safe, they'd have Kirk fight klingons and make out with organian slave women.

From Urban Dictionary:
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>EMO: A group of white, mostly middle-class well-off
kids who find imperfections in there life and create a
ridiculous, depressing melodrama around each one. They
often take anti-depressants, even though the majority don't
need them. They need to wake up and deal with life like
everyone else instead of wallowing in their imaginary
quagmire of torment.</pre><hr />

I'd like Star Trek to be about technological extrapolation again.

It never was. It was about a human adventure, not predicting the cell phone, the hologram, talking computers, or nonotech. It was an adventure in space, nothing more. They weren't prophets -- and I'm glad they aren't, I don't want to live through "post atomic horrors". I was looking forward to colonies on mars, but nobody landed there in 1996. So much for prediction.

Also, the second pilot was a reboot. The characters (other than Spock) are completely different. The sets are different. The first officer diosappears entirely. A recast would mean everything stays the same except that different actors. Actually, I think Spock had emotions in Cage, so even that was different.
 
UWC Defiance said:
xortex said:
Well they said they 'got it' in a two month interval secluded in a hotel.

And you know that a reasonable period of time to produce a first draft script in seclusion is...?

Yes...?

The writing process being what it is I would think many a writer would love a "Two month interval" to get their job done in. I mean people write for tv with far less time on their hands... he is just showing his lack of understanding of the process at hand.

But ah I do like how some think they can bottle up the creative process to raw numbers now. Hey they could always do it ad hoc churning out script pages well the movie is filming - no one would ever do that on a Trek production would they? ;)


Yes, he did. He's since said that it was terrible, and that he rewrote it almost entirely over time, but that he found it much more productive for him as an individual to write fast and rewrite than to struggle with every sentence the first time through. I think there's a great deal to be said for that approach.

There is a lot to be said for just getting the basics down on paper and then going back to fix and embellish and flesh out the ideas.

I'd like Star Trek to be about technological extrapolation again.

This is fine and good, provided its not the primary purpose of the movie but rather a backdrop to watch the things real live humans actually care about: Humans.

Though I disagree Star Trek has ever been about "tech extrapolation" since much of the tech that appeared on the show was vague at best (better that way) or do to budget constraints such as the transporter...

Sharr
 
Key words:

Spock. Starship Enterprise. Kirk. Story. Fantastic. McCoy. Entertaining. Iconic characters. Fun.

It has all of those, it has my attention. I don't care WHAT the premise is, as long as the above are included. Really, it's a movie, not the cure for cancer or anything nearly so important.

(ducks for cover ) :D
 
Braga has inside information except unfortunately he's not a team player, he's a maverick with a big brain. It's a shame they can't all play nice.

This really leaves me at a loss. What specific "inside information" does Braga have in his brain that could be relevant here?

xortex it really sounds like you're grasping, with all this Braga talk lately.

Point to a statement where Braga wants it: "back in his lap". I really think he's over Trek as far as it is creatively concerned.

Sharr :vulcan: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
 
writers should be given a year to write a movie (enough time to reflect and see if it really is any good) and a year to produce. What's wrong with that. It's a movie, not a television show, it should be better. Shouldn't it ?
 
xortex said:
writers should be given a year to write a movie (enough time to reflect and see if it really is any good) and a year to produce. What's wrong with that. It's a movie, not a television show, it should be better. Shouldn't it ?

Trust me, by the time Nimoy read the script it had been revised again and again and again will likely even morph during production.

Completion of a first draft isn't the same as getting to a final draft.

Nothing is wrong with it, but for it being highly idealized idea of how films get done. Maybe if they did this on TMP the result would have been less stilted...

Sharr
 
xortex said:
writers should be given a year to write a movie (enough time to reflect and see if it really is any good) and a year to produce. What's wrong with that. It's a movie, not a television show, it should be better. Shouldn't it ?

Hypothesis and rhetorical questions, there.

"What's wrong with that?"

Nothing. There's also nothing wrong with developing a brand of peanut butter that protects the consumer from the hard radiation following a nuclear attack. It just happens that, well, there ain't no such thing.

You can say that some aspect of reality should work any way you like. Doesn't mean that it can or does.

Name two great Hollywood films of the past two decades in which the hired writers were "given a year to write" a first draft and a year to produce.

Coppola and Puzo wrote the script for "The Godfather" in less than six months.

Sometimes writers get years to work on films, sometimes directors get years to cut their films together, sometimes, sometimes...but you're talking there for the most part about independently financed films that aren't designed by studios as mass commercial entertainment.

Or you're talking about films that are brought to the studios by independent talent who've already fully developed and fleshed out the project on their own...and then if a studio invests any significant money in making the film, they'll probably want a rewrite or two. :lol:
 
The story just needs to be fun, make some sort of sense, have sexy babes, and follow it's own rules and it'll be fine as far as story goes. I'm all for staying in universe, but if they try an alternate take the last thing they should do is keep calling attention to it.

UWC Defiance said:
There's also nothing wrong with developing a brand of peanut butter that protects the consumer from the hard radiation following a nuclear attack. It just happens that, well, there ain't no such thing.

Wait wait wait. So...you're saying that guy on the street corner was conning me? I want my $5 back now.
 
What inside information could Braga have ? He worked on star Trek for 15 years, written over a hundred decent episodes, seen thousands of scripts and pitches. Uh, what have Orci and the other writer done ? Star Trek is very unique. Lots of people can't do it - John logan. It's very specialized sci-fi. You can either do it or you can't. So far Braga has proven he can do it somewhat better than most. at least see what the man has to say. Geez.
 
No, there's really no reason whatever for these people to consult the previous writers and producers on "Star Trek" in order to make this film good.

To the extent that those folks have anything useful to contribute - and they may - it's already on screen.
 
How the hell did BRAGA's name come into this? The genius behind Voyager the later years and Enterprise? Seriously, fuck Braga.
 
By the same token, there's no inherent flaw with explaining Klingon ridges.

I love the way ENT did it. :)
 
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