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Trek XI to be alternate timeline, according to AICN

Sharr Khan said:
It also might only be "confusing" to the "Die Hards" who are hung up on this stuff and completely irrelevant to newbies enjoyment or understanding of this film. In other words: Trek knowledge might prove a hindererence in this case and ignorance could be bliss...

Sharr
But new people watching Enterprise knew nothing about Star Trek. Earth was attacked in the show, Romulans had cloaks. Things were changed and Canon wasn't so closely followed. Yet it failed. Which means that canon, rebooting, reimagining has nought to do with how this movie will do.

I have to laugh when people say that Reboot and ignoring Continuity is the way to go as if it was the one all cure to Star Trek. People claim the fans and continuity drag a Star Trek down. Many fans were turned off Star Trek Enterprise for not keeping much continuity, yet I did't see it getting any more new fans. People have got to be fooling themselves if they think Canon is the only problem with Star Trek. Rather people not knowing what the real problem is and just thinking "ah it's the fans fault, it's continuty, yeah they are responsible, not the story or acting or direction". Rubbish.

If you think Rebbot is the solution to saving Star Trek then you put even more importance on Canon than anyone else does.
 
xortex said:
It's a wonderful Trek, It's a wonderful Trek. Keep saying that over and over.

How about "It's the Cubs of Science Fiction". That's more accurate. The fans love it, but it doesn't win the pennant and people who aren't already Trek fans just don't care. That's how I see 'em anyway.

And the only thing that will save them -- reboot or not -- is bringing the A game. Good stories, good acting, interesting plotlines. I question JJ Abrams as a GM, but we need the A-game.
 
I really am not putting a lot of credit into the rumors, but if they are starting out with an alternate timeline, this film is doomed.
 
Orintho said:
I really am not putting a lot of credit into the rumors, but if they are starting out with an alternate timeline, this film is doomed.

I utterly refuse to believe "this film is doomed" until we see poor box office numbers. Otherwise, I'm going to keep an open mind. It's been said plenty of times before, but the fact is, premise means very little; it's execution that matters. No premise is going to doom this movie.
 
I hope this alternate timeline if it means time travel is just silly rumor. I have always said if they want to do TOS movie then just start with a clean sheet. Total reboot keeping only with core characters and root of Gene Roddenberry vision modernize from present day respective not 1960s. When i heard Nimoy was going to be in Star Trek 11 i thought how are they going to fit him in the movie.
Is it going to be not another time travel movie :brickwall: or a flash movie who is better of the two evils.
However if it isn't either, what if Nimoy is playing old Spock is because something happened to Young Spock in the XI movie that made him old. Smilier to TOS episode, The Deadly Years. Eureka!
 
I heard these guys banged out the script post haste, like just another gig in a few days or a few hours and that was that. Pushed it through on j.j.'s clout. To deny the events of TOS never really happened is a mistake. That was GR's vision. They would be side stepping it when they could have used it to their advantage as like these are the events that made them legends, instead it will be these are the events that lead them nowhere or somewhere else to start again and be better than what Roddenberry did. Many went down that path and died. But he's no fool, there's always the reset button, as though the movie never happened. Travelling back in time to set the events into place sounds like an episode of Voyager - Braga opus with the u.s.s. Exiter and Garrat Wang episode or even All good things. They better not be similar to anything else brannon will be writing the next one, which really isn't such a bad thing Though he has proven himself to be the worst ST movie writer of them all. Who knows why ? The idea for the borg movie was terrible and he did the first one about the nexus with berman so...
 
All I know is, Star Trek needs some serious reputation regeneration and it won't happen if Trek XI tries to do a half-assed techobabble plot about alternate realities with a few text-book battles thrown in.
 
xortex said:
I heard these guys banged out the script post haste, like just another gig in a few days or a few hours and that was that. Pushed it through on j.j.'s clout.

I don't know where you get your info, 'cause it sounds like JJ wanted to do this movie. Whether on not it's a good movie I can't really say. But I doubt it was a 15- minute first draft. Movie scripts are hundreds of pages long.

To deny the events of TOS never really happened is a mistake. That was GR's vision.

To be technical about it, no TOS wasn't the GR vision. "The Cage" was the GR vision, and even GR denied it happened, so I can't say that alone dooms anything. That's actually the weirdest part of this little universe -- the first stories ever broadcast were a reboot. So reboots work just fine in the Trekverse.

They would be side stepping it when they could have used it to their advantage as like these are the events that made them legends, instead it will be these are the events that lead them nowhere or somewhere else to start again and be better than what Roddenberry did.

Who said it would be better? It will be different. No two people can tell the same story in the same way, so anybody writing in the trekverse is going to put their own stamp on it.

You have the Xortex nature, I have the Balthier nature. We aren't the same people. We see things differently, and if we both decided to write a Trek fan fiction, they'd look different. Different isn't better or worse, just different. (/zen bullshit)

Many went down that path and died. But he's no fool, there's always the reset button, as though the movie never happened. Travelling back in time to set the events into place sounds like an episode of Voyager - Braga opus with the u.s.s. Exiter and Garrat Wang episode or even All good things.

So wait, he's gonna die? Please tell me you aren't serious about this.

I'll admit I'm not a fan of time travelling reset buttons, but I'll lay aside the misgivings 'til we have at least the movie poster if not a trailer. It doesn't sound like what I'd pick, but I'm not sure what I'd have said about the premise of Dr. Who had I never watched it.

They better not be similar to anything else brannon will be writing the next one, which really isn't such a bad thing Though he has proven himself to be the worst ST movie writer of them all. Who knows why ? The idea for the borg movie was terrible and he did the first one about the nexus with berman so...

So you hate Brannon (whoever he is), Braga, and Bermen, but you want them to write the next movie, and reboot the reboot? But rebooting is bad because it messes with the vision, but the vision is a reboot of the original vision, so you want to reboot back to the reboot of the original version, which is a reboot of the real original version.

Maybe all of that is supposed to clear my head of all conscious thought, but it's giving me a headache. I don't think you'll ever be accused of having the Spock-nature. :vulcan:
 
I heard these guys banged out the script post haste, like just another gig in a few days or a few hours and that was that.

Ah no... from the announcement of the pitch to the complete script was a long time (I can't recall how many months sure others can) as I remember it being reported by Trekmovie.com though the project itself was born out of JJ wanting to make a Trek film not the studio shopping a script around.

A lot of your facts concerning the TNG are also not correct. Berman didn't write Generations Moore and Braga did. Just to be accurate here.

And "first Contact" was actually a hit...

That was GR's vision

Gene's "Vision" was (assuring he had money to)feed himself and find the next chick to bang...

Sharr
 
EyalM said:
I see no reason to explain the differences between this version of ST and TOS, in the same way the Klingon ridges didn't really need explaining.

I haven't seen that enterprise episode, but it sounds like the stupidest thing ever.
 
I read on star Trek.com in their own words that they wrote it very quickly like in a spare weekend or something in between other projects. The fact that J.J always wanted to do a star trek movie doesn't surprise me. Who doesn't ? I just think that they aren't as in the know as Braga is and he should have been consulted. that's all. But then again that's how Nemisis was made so... The cage wasn't a reboot just a recast.
 
I suggest you read it again because you're wrong. People need to stop inventing bad things about the movie. You're really just setting yourself up to have a miserable time at the movies.
 
xortex said:
I read on star Trek.com in their own words that they wrote it very quickly like in a spare weekend or something in between other projects. The fact that J.J always wanted to do a star trek movie doesn't surprise me. Who doesn't ? I just think that they aren't as in the know as Braga is and he should have been consulted. that's all. But then again that's how Nemisis was made so... The cage wasn't a reboot just a recast.

Why's Braga suddenly your hero? I don't think Braga wants to be near Trek at all anymore nor should he be consulted! Second this movie will gain nothing with his name attached to it.

I just think that they aren't as in the know as Braga is

Huh? What does this mean? The point was to get rid of the baggage of old production group. There's nothing Braga could possibly inform this production team about that they can't figure out for themselves if they so desire - though I can't grasp why they'd need to be consulted on anything concerning the B&B "Era" since its long over and likely not relevant to this production in any way.

I don't think you're grasping the writing process and maybe taking things very literal/out of context. Provide a link and or quote so we can all see what you read.

Sharr :brickwall: :cardie:
 
If you think Rebbot is the solution to saving Star Trek then you put even more importance on Canon than anyone else does.

No because I don't care either way actually reboot, or whatever just give me a good story with real people.

When nuBSG came about originally I was very much agianst it and was WRONG so I'm willing to give this a chance as well.

And here's a secret: There weren't many "new people" watching Enterprise to begin with.

Sharr
 
Danoz said:
EyalM said:
I see no reason to explain the differences between this version of ST and TOS, in the same way the Klingon ridges didn't really need explaining.

I haven't seen that enterprise episode, but it sounds like the stupidest thing ever.

It wasn't so much stupid as it was pointless. They even squeezed in a section 31 subplot.
It's this kind of self referencing plots that I think made trek unaccessible to new viewers.
 
Well they said they 'got it' in a two month interval secluded in a hotel. All I have to say is prepare yourself for an emo Star Trek. Braga might have told them that this simply wasn't a good idea but I wouldn't count on it. Right now he's twidling his thumbs hoping it ends up back in his lap. It's all about money and inspiration. Braga has inside information except unfortunately he's not a team player, he's a maverick with a big brain. It's a shame they can't all play nice.
 
Just because Braga could have been connected to this movie doesn't mean the movie would've been worse. He could have actually said, hey, wait a minute, this is not a good idea, because... of such and such. He wouldn't make the same mistake twice and try to sabotage these guys. Why should he. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain. I should say had. I would think Paramount would rather be safe then sorry. It is yet to be seen whether these guys have a high minded concept worthy of Star Trek other than friendship and emo.
 
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