Trek XI to be alternate timeline, according to AICN

[seigezunt]

SeamusShameless said:
You know what I just realized? We're going to know who the next president will be before we ever see this movie. But for some reason, I find this more interesting than the campaign. I guess Star Trek is just better than America.

I hadn't thought of that. A Democrat coming to the White house, and Trek coming out? I may have to wear diapers, I will be so ecstatic.

 

[xortex]

Is it possible, Dradin, and I really don't know, that the universe and the Federation did change after the trio came back but they retained no memory of the change, unlike back to the future. I.e. their memory was changed accordingly too.

 

[Baldus885]

Hmm, Hasn't the "Old TV show turned into a time travel movie" been done before? Oh yeah, Lost in Space.

I hope this isn't true - I'd rather see the Shat bare his arse in a new movie than watch some Voyager-style time travel mess.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

seigezunt said:
I hadn't thought of that. A Democrat coming to the White house, and Trek coming out? I may have to wear diapers, I will be so ecstatic.

I'm with you, dude, but don't count your chickens on the former.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

seigezunt said:

SeamusShameless said:
You know what I just realized? We're going to know who the next president will be before we ever see this movie. But for some reason, I find this more interesting than the campaign. I guess Star Trek is just better than America.

I hadn't thought of that. A Democrat coming to the White house, and Trek coming out?

Star Trek's in the closet?

 

[Dradin]

xortex said:
Is it possible, Dradin, and I really don't know, that the universe and the Federation did change after the trio came back but they retained no memory of the change, unlike back to the future. I.e. their memory was changed accordingly too.

You're right. That makes it even more annoying, doesn't it? If you think it through, this whole time travel stuff always gets messy. You can't really sort it out in any way that allows to tell something that would count as "story".

I'll just keep hoping that the whole romulan-time-travel-alternate-universe-thing is only a rumour ...

 

[ancient]

The general audience better not need a Trektionary to figure out what is going on. Hell, I needed one for Nemesis!

 

[Woulfe]

^ THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL FOLKS ALL THIS TIME !

The only way this rumored plot would work is if you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Star Trek.

You think the avrage american shmuck knows all this stuff ?

No freakin' way !

So I'm still calling BS on this rumored plot for the Nth time.

- W -
* I'll stand by my broken BS detector *

 

[Pingfah]

They have said on numerous occasions that they are having respect for what has gone before.

Clearly wiping out everything post Enterprise and starting again is not respecting everything that has gone before, so clearly this is not what they will be doing.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Woulfe said:
The only way this rumored plot would work is if you know EVERYTHING there is to know about Star Trek.

Not at all. Depends on how important and how much screen time this takes up relative to the storyline featuring Young Spock and Young Kirk.

The "alternate history" is the part that's there for the hard core trekkies - you know, the ones who the screenwriter said would be seeing a different movie than the new audience?

 

[xortex]

They're not wiping out all that has gone on before, they are side stepping it and avoiding it - i.e. diverving from it. But of course I think that is a huge mistake and is wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[number6]

of course.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

The following are premature judgments based on what little (and possibly false) information we have...

It just sort of feels a lot like what DC does from time to time with their CRISIS events, which invariably lead to a MULTIVERSE (a place where every version of every timeline exists, all jumbled together).

It's like, "Hey, all the old stuff is still there, but now there is new stuff, too! Whatever you like, it's still there! Don't get mad at us. And please buy our new product."

And when reading these comic-book "events," I always come away more annoyed than entertained.

I know that the old stuff is still there. I have boxes of it. I don't need them to tell me that. And I also know that they are pandering because even though they are assuring me that it is all still there, we all know that their new focus is elsewhere and I should not be expecting more of the old anytime soon.

And it also feels like a cop-out. Like they are bookmarking the old stuff in case no one likes the new stuff and they want to go back.

When reading this stuff, I always feel like saying, "Just take a fucking position and be confident about it. Maybe I'll hate it, and maybe I'll love it. But I'd be more likely to love it if you were more confident in your sales-pitch. Not this namby-pamby sleight of hand."

"It's all still there, Cogley! Don't get your panties in a bunch."

The other problem I have with the CRISIS stuff, in addition to the above, is that it always feels more like you are watching their attempt at administrative house-cleaning than it feels like a good story.

I keep thinking, "Just hurry up and get this 'event' out of the way so I can see if I like the new world after the dust settles. I don't need to see the puppet strings. I don't need to see who you decided to keep or kill or why. I just want to read a fucking good story."

For all of these reasons, I don't like what I'm hearing in this thread.

Granted, this stuff might be minimal and unobtrusive to the story, but I don't like the idea of what they are trying to do.

Just do a faithful canon prequel and make it a great story.

Or make it totally different and make it a great story.

But don't try to pander to everyone, and don't show us how you decided to connect the dots.

Just tell the fucking story and let us (the freaks) connect the dots back here at the TrekBBS. And let everybody else go home having seen a great (and uncomplicated) story.

The other bit is that these CRISIS events -- which are always an attempt to both simplify and re-energize the DC Universe -- almost always end up making things more complicated.

So I'm guessing whatever secondary layer that exists in this film that is there solely for the old fans is going to -- by its very nature -- have to be relatively vague in its implications.

Which means every one of us is just going to have one more giant mess to come back here and fight about.

I just want to see a simple story.

I don't want a big fucking ball of tangled kite string that I have to come back here and share with the rest of you.

Again, this is all premature.

And this is just the premature ejaculation of my thoughts on the issue.

 

[I Grok Spock]

What seems odd is that the "Old Spock goes back in time to prevent Kirk from being erased" part of the story isn't the focus of the movie. Maybe it's not a big deal, but in a way it comes across as "there was this exciting thing that happened that almost changed the universe, but you're not going to see that, you're going to see the day to day management of the aftermath, where Old Spock makes sure that Kirk uses the Corbomite Maneuver and drinks Tranya." I guess if they handle it by starting in medias res as part of a series of Kirk-erasing or history-changing events it makes more sense.

Actually, if that were the case, working in an Old Kirk appearance wouldn't be that hard (notwithstanding Shatner's money grab), as one of Spock's efforts could lead to the sudden reversal of Kirk's death in ST:G. It might even riff on COTEOF if Old Spock had to tell Old Kirk that he had to go back to being dead. Or something. I dunno. I suspect if this flick has enough ray guns and space babes I'll see it regardless.


In other news, my browser's spell checker seems to think that a reasonable substitute for "Corbominte" is "Sodomite."

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

I Grok Spock said:
In other news, my browser's spell checker seems to think that a reasonable substitute for "Corbominte" is "Sodomite."

I'm telling you, Spock (and probably Kirk) are going to be gay in Star Trek XI.

And "Corbominte" is just a breath-freshener that Kirk and Spock will use before that momentous first kiss.

(Also, since "Corbomintes" come from Vulcan, they will be curiously strong.)

 

[I Grok Spock]

Samuel T. Cogley said:

I Grok Spock said:
In other news, my browser's spell checker seems to think that a reasonable substitute for "Corbominte" is "Sodomite."

I'm telling you, Spock (and probably Kirk) are going to be gay in Star Trek XI.

And "Corbominte" is just a breath-freshener that Kirk and Spock will use before that momentous first kiss.

(Also, since "Corbomintes" come from Vulcan, they will be curiously strong.)

Exactly - Old Spock is actually fiddling with the time line to turn Kirk gay. It all makes sense now.

As for "Corbomintes" - it reminds me of a great thread a while back where people made parody print advertisements in the style of old comic book ads.

 

[thumbtack]

The Star Trek movie with the highest non-fan attendance featured time travel, and no confusion ensued.

By wisely ignoring everything with Rick Berman's name on it, this film will be quite simple to follow and easily accessible to non-fans.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

thumbtack said:
The Star Trek movie with the highest non-fan attendance featured time travel, and no confusion ensued.

Yes, but that was a story that intended to have no future consequences beyond, "Now we have whales in the future and '7th Heaven' can no longer exist."

Plus, it was the lighter comedic nature of the film and the high concept "save the whales" message that made the movie accessible, not the time travel aspects.

In Trex XI (according to this thread, anyway), time travel will be the mechanism for the new agenda.

Trek VI was a one-off, a self-contained story.

It's the far-reaching (both forward and backward) repercussions of Trek XI that sound confusing.

 

[Sharr Khan]

It's the far-reaching (both forward and backward) repercussions of Trek XI that sound confusing.

There's no way to be sure of that. And this like most everything in this thread is a guess at best... based on a garbled regurgitation of two people "talking over dinner" - not a great source for "facts" to be sure. We should not jump to any assumptions based solely on that.

The story and plot could be very straight forward for all we know. Depending on how the script carries it off of course. If Back to the Future can make sense of itself - a Trek movie can manage it just as well.

It also might only be "confusing" to the "Die Hards" who are hung up on this stuff and completely irrelevant to newbies enjoyment or understanding of this film. In other words: Trek knowledge might prove a hindererence in this case and ignorance could be bliss...

Sharr

 

[seigezunt]

I Grok Spock said:

Samuel T. Cogley said:

I Grok Spock said:
In other news, my browser's spell checker seems to think that a reasonable substitute for "Corbominte" is "Sodomite."

I'm telling you, Spock (and probably Kirk) are going to be gay in Star Trek XI.

And "Corbominte" is just a breath-freshener that Kirk and Spock will use before that momentous first kiss.

(Also, since "Corbomintes" come from Vulcan, they will be curiously strong.)

Exactly - Old Spock is actually fiddling with the time line to turn Kirk gay. It all makes sense now.

As for "Corbomintes" - it reminds me of a great thread a while back where people made parody print advertisements in the style of old comic book ads.

so the Corbominte Maneuver is that thing my gf used to do with Altoids...