Trek XI to be alternate timeline, according to AICN

[Ryann866]

Stone_Cold_Sisko said:
I hope that's BS for this reason...

Actually having a plot to "create a new timeline" who's sole purpose is to not upset "canon" and "continuity" is overly-geeky DC/Marvel comic BULLSHIT.

If you're so desperate to not be beholden to continuity then just TELL THE DAMN STORY and not worry about the geekiness because 90% of the general population won't care about it one damn. Just do a Batman Begins or Casino Royale.

The idea of having an entire plotline who's purpose is 'create a new timeline' is bullshit. Every second spent thinking about timelines and realities is one less spent on characters and drama. This sort of garbage is what makes comic books pointless and inaccessible to anybody but the chosen 200,000.

As a friend said when I was talking to him about this tonight, “Wait... so you’re saying they’re not just doing a square one reboot that would simplify everything, but that they’re actually making it... more complicated?”

...from the article, sums up my thoughts on this as well. Personally I'da just liked a story set during the 5 year mission with new enemies and new plots. But I wasn't against a "reboot" either. This... this sounds like the WORST OF BOTH WORLDS - all the problems of continuity and none of the benefits.

Well said... Anyone want to bet that this is the Orci/Kurtzman rational for "staying true to the vision" but "doing something new"

Just as imaginative as their Transformers idea of having some galactic star map imprinted on a pair of glasses sold on Ebay...

Just call it "Star Trek" and start over... if they want to attract a larger audience at all they should give up the idea of addressing the current continuity. "Unification" was 16 years ago... Kirk's death can be revised...

I can just guess what the last scene will be -- Nimoy's Spock returning to the "current" timeline to find Shatner's Kirk alive and well...

 

[seigezunt]

why is this to be believed any more than any other fanboy musings on the plot? I only see some reference to what is known (it being Spock-laden) and a bunch of conjecture.

It might be good. But so might a number of purported plots being floated out there. I smell bullcrap.

 

[Aragorn]

Woulfe said:
You do realize that Ain't It Cool News is like The Weekly Word News nowadays, right ?

- W -
* Yes ? *

Shhhh!! The unconditional haters/bashers need something to latch onto. Wild rumors are the best because they can bash the hell out of it and cry about the death of their own individual/singular/tunnel vision idea of what Star Trek is while it's still running rampant, and then after it's debunked they can use that as an excuse to bash the people behind the scenes for jerking them around and dissing the fanbase.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

seigezunt said:
why is this to be believed any more than any other fanboy musings on the plot?

Because of Moriarity's history. He's not always right, but he does have sources that the fanboys don't.

 

[Beyerstein]

how's this for a setup

MARCH 2368
spock is shaving with a romulan razor and cuts himself and the poison on the razor almost kills him! he notices a note attatched to the razor that says "for kirk from your friends the romulans" so spock hops in a time travel shuttle and goes back in time

FEB 2264
spock sneaks into the room where a baby tuvok is sleeping and tattoos a message on her backside: "tell jim to quit shaving long before 2368"

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Beyerstein said:
how's this for a setup

MARCH 2368
spock is shaving with a romulan razor and cuts himself and the poison on the razor almost kills him! he notices a note attatched to the razor that says "for kirk from your friends the romulans" so spock hops in a time travel shuttle and goes back in time

FEB 2264
spock sneaks into the room where a baby tuvok is sleeping and tattoos a message on her backside: "tell jim to quit shaving long before 2368"

Well, it's not any more lame than another 24th century or TNG movie...

 

[bdb]

Given the unmade Superman script that Abrams did, would anyone really be THAT surprised if this all turned out to be true?

 

[Kegek]

bdb said:
Given the unmade Superman script that Abrams did, would anyone really be THAT surprised if this all turned out to be true?

Uh, yeah, yes, actually. C'mon - Romulans going back in time to kill Captain Kirk? I don't know, the plot just seems so opposed to the general sense of 'back-to-basic-things-even-non-fans-know-about'. I can see time travel... but not time travel to gerrymander continuity issues.

 

[Beyerstein]

what was in Abram's unmade superman script?

 

[Ceridwen]

bdb said:
Given the unmade Superman script that Abrams did, would anyone really be THAT surprised if this all turned out to be true?

*Shrugs* I liked the unmade Superman script (I didn't read all of it, so the dialogue might have been lacking, but the overall plot was an interesting re-imagining). And y'know what? I kinda like this idea. It still takes place in the Star Trek universe, just... over here instead of over there. Nimoy's presence ties it to the Star Trek timeline we all know and love, while at the same time allowing future adventures and television series to continue from this new timeline (with everything just a little bit different).

I mean, I'm not putting a lot of stock in these rumors (Moriarty is reliable, but a lot of what he's saying is conjecture based on statements we aren't privy to), but even if they prove to be true, I really don't see a reason to complain about it yet.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Kegek said:Romulans going back in time to kill Captain Kirk? I don't know, the plot just seems so opposed to the general sense of 'back-to-basic-things-even-non-fans-know-about'.

Given what else is known about the film, it seems pretty likely that the entire screwing/fixing the timeline part is pretty early set-up and that most of the film involves Quinto-as-Spock quite likely in communication with Nimoy-as-Spock. That would be some decades after Kirk's father's life was saved, of course, and the "alternate timeline" well-launched. The deviations resulting from that set-up would be what require a story in which Spock is essential to seeing that the Enterprise crew all meet.

 

[Kegek]

UWC Defiance said:
Given what else is known about the film, it seems pretty likely that the entire screwing/fixing the timeline part is pretty early set-up and that most of the film involves Quinto-as-Spock quite likely in communication with Nimoy-as-Spock. That would be some decades after Kirk's father's life was saved, of course, and the "alternate timeline" well-launched. The deviations resulting from that set-up would be what require a story in which Spock is essential to seeing that the Enterprise crew all meet.

Hmm. I guess that could work, keeping the continuity thing in the background and using it as an opportunity to bring Nimoy more fully into the drama. Anyway, like with everything else about this movie... I'll reserve my judgement till I've seen it.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Hmm. I guess that could work, keeping the continuity thing in the background and using it as an opportunity to bring Nimoy more fully into the drama. Anyway, like with everything else about this movie... I'll reserve my judgement till I've seen it.

My first reaction: "OH HELL NO!", upon reflection, reserving judgement until I see the actual final product is always the best... if I could sit through the last TNG film I can cut this some slack here.

Plus I can't really complain about time travel or alternate timelines... I do like both mostly if done well. It was a factor that hooked me with B5, the timetravel just has to have consequences. Berman-Braga Trek just kinda blew that component off.

What matters is how its done!

Sharr

 

[Balthier the Great]

Beyerstein said:
what was in Abram's unmade superman script?

Giant Mechs Destroy Krypton.

Mrs. Jorel killed right in front of Jorel 'cause he won't talk.

Clark first displays his super powers by throwing furniture about the room (in search of a toy ball).

Clark is an outcast because he doesn't understand that other kids can't see through walls (he watches the clouds through a brick wall).

Mrs. Kent is almost raped by the landlord -- who as an evil business owner wants to also collect the rent. Superman beats the landlord to a pulp in full CGI (at least as discribed it was pretty gruesome).

And at that point I stopped reading.

But you can find it on Dailyscripts.com.

This is why I'm not dissmissing the time-travel plot out of hand. JJ has some ... interesting ideas about what long time fans WANT in their "back to basics" movies. In the case of Superman, JJ probably didn't realize that a lot of people bring little kids along.

However, I'm still gonna wait for a trailer before giving up on it.

 

[bdb]

Here are the highlights:

Lex Luthor was from Krypton. Krypton was not destroyed. At one point, Superman dies. Jor-El senses this from Krypton, and kills himself to go to heaven and talk his son out of dying! AND IT WORKS!!!

 

[Spider]

The rumor mill continues to be active, what a surprise. I'm hoping that the stuff mentioned in the article is BS, because if it isn't, there's a good chance I'll be one of those who turn prematurely negative about the production.

I am really fucking sick of time travel stories. Really.

 

[CaptainDonovin]

One thing that I was thinking (and an unpopular topic here at times) is why would the Romulans go back after Kirk, even though he was the first to actually see the Romulans faces. The Klingons were his enemy. If the Romulans wanted to go back in time to kill someone I would think it would be Archer because he helped form what would be the Federation, something the Romulans hoped to stop back then. Just a thought...

 

[Tom]

Where is PTM to debunk this

Anywho, The Kirk never existed story is being used for Star Trek: Of Gods And Men , minus the romulans. Can't say much more than that. Even though OG&M is not an official Trek i highly doubt that Abrams and Co would use that idea from a high profile project like OG&M.

Also i would think there would be no Romulans in this film as they were used alot in the last film, but that is my opinion .

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Beyerstein said:what was in Abram's unmade superman script?

To be fair, Abrams was writing what he was being told to write. Given the horrid premise he was given, the script he came up with wasn't bad at all. It just wasn't Superman as EVERYONE knows him. Then again, "Superman Returns" gave us a Superman who has an illegitimate kid and some pretty creepy stalker tendencies, and many among the audience didn't seem to mind that, soooo....

 

[The Wormhole]

Holy fuck, please tell me that's fake. Seriously, I've been willing to give the movie an open mind, but if that's really the plot, then that's terrible. Worse than Nemesis.