Trek-XI is gonna flop f***** big!

[StarTrek1701]

I am a hardcore Trek fan. Trekker, Trekkie, call me anything you want, I not only accept it, I revel in it. No, I don't go to dorky conventions and I don't have much memorabilia in the name of Trek. But I am not one bit shy about professing my love for Star Trek. I have converted some very hardcore non-fans to hardcore fans of Trek, and yes, I gloat about it. Sue me.

And Paramount is trying my patience, my hardcore patience. My sweet, sweet patience. For the last couple of years we fans have endured torture bit by fucking bit, only to not have at least some pay off in the end. For Trek to not have a significant presence in Comic Con proves that. McG, that craptastic farkalot had a bigger presence with his T4 showings that Trek did. How the fark is that even possible?

Is Paramount going the way of Fox? Look at how over secrecy killed the X-Files movie. No story hints, no significantly interesting teaser trailer or a real trailer, and in the end, it gets beat up by the gayest movie of the summer, Mamma Mia! Fox thought the old fans are going to flock to this movie with its overhyped secrecy thing, and that killed whatever potential this movie had. And as for T4, it is only half way shooting and they already had an engaging and entertaining teaser out! And what is Abrams/Paramount giving us? Absolutely nothing!

Is Paramount thinking that old fans are going to make this movie a hit? Without any pre-buzz, without any significant interests to be raised? Only us Trek fans are waiting for crumbs of information to drop, but what of the general moviegoers? The ones that Abrams is trying to convert with this new movie? Oh that's right, he is thinking the interest level in this movie is the same with non Trek fans as with Trek fans.

Sorry to rant, but for Trek not having a significant presence in Comic Con is making me see red. How can Paramount fuck that up? Didn't it see how Comic Con helped Iron Man? What harm would have been there if there was an exclusive trailer for Trek? I don't buy Abram's words about the effects not finishing one bit. This was a movie to be released in December, but now the effects aren't finished? Okay, fark the trailers, at least get the 'stars' of the new movie to get out and do a panel. Anton Yelchin was there, so was John Cho. I think Quinto was there too for the Heroes panel. Just get those three and Abrams together and you got at least an engaging panel!

If Paramount keeps up like this till next year, this movie will be squished by Wolverine and Terminator Salvation end to end. Hey Paramount, you listening?

 

[Kryton]

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the sombrero this morning.

 

[22 Stars]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

The OP has a valid point, my only problem is that the movie has a year to go, so Paramount can properly market the thing, they haven't blown it *yet*

 

[Squiggy]

All you people who think that Paramount should be throwing millions of dollars into advertising NOW need to get a clue. They're nowhere close to blowing it. There was a teaser trailer out 17 months before the release date. What more do you want? An all out ad blitz on radio, TV, and print now through Mother's Day?

Is Paramount thinking that old fans are going to make this movie a hit?

No. That's why they're rebooting.

Without any pre-buzz, without any significant interests to be raised?

Please. Qunito can now fart and 10 threads would be started on it. As I've said before, we're trekkers...we're going to eat this movie up like a fat girl and cake. And what "pre-buzz" are you wanting? The movie is still 10 months out.

Only us Trek fans are waiting for crumbs of information to drop, but what of the general moviegoers?

The ones that don't make their movie plans 10 months in advance? You mean those people?

The ones that Abrams is trying to convert with this new movie? Oh that's right, he is thinking the interest level in this movie is the same with non Trek fans as with Trek fans.

No...as movies aren't really advertised 10 months out. How much "pre-buzz" is being trumped up about that new Wolverine movie now? Or how much buzz was being generated in September of last year for Dark Knight?

What's that? None you say?

Sorry to rant, but for Trek not having a significant presence in Comic Con is making me see red.

Those fools! All Star Trek needs to reinvigorate it is a booth...at a comic book convention...300 days before it's release!

How can Paramount fuck that up? Didn't it see how Comic Con helped Iron Man?

Well, Iron Man was a comic...and I doubt Comic Con made the movie a hit.

In short, the average movie goer has no idea about Trek and wouldn't care if he did know and he's not going to mark his calender and cancel his May plans because of a movie.

You fail at thinking like other people. You nullified yourself with your opening salvo of "I am a hardcore Trek fan".

 

[Skywalker]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

No it didn't.

 

[Gepard]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

No it didn't.

Agreed.

 

[James Bond]

And as for T4, it is only half way shooting and they already had an engaging and entertaining teaser out! And what is Abrams/Paramount giving us? Absolutely nothing!

Star Trek wasn't even half way done filming, and we still got a nice teaser trailer. So, basically, fuck your theory.

 

[Bad Bishop]

Sorry to rant, but for Trek not having a significant presence in Comic Con is making me see red. How can Paramount fuck that up? Didn't it see how Comic Con helped Iron Man? What harm would have been there if there was an exclusive trailer for Trek? I don't buy Abram's words about the effects not finishing one bit.

That is what Abrams said. It may be true, but I'm not satisfied with that reason for sitting out Comic-Con. They could have brought something, like film footage that doesn't require a lot of effects. Or they could have brought a slide show with character, prop and/or set designs. But they didn't.

Regardless, I'm confident that the film will be a hit.

 

[Akiraprise]

Regardless, I'm confident that the film will be a hit.

As am I.

Guys, there is no way Paramount is going to start pissing away loads of ad money this early. It's too soon for the general public to care about Trek XI and Paramount doesn't need to whet our appetites with a new trailer because we're going to see the movie regardless. We're posting in a Star Trek XI forum for crying out loud.

 

[Bad Bishop]

Regardless, I'm confident that the film will be a hit.

As am I.

Guys, there is no way Paramount is going to start pissing away loads of ad money this early. It's too soon for the general public to care about Trek XI and Paramount doesn't need to whet our appetites with a new trailer because we're going to see the movie regardless.

Most likely. But let's not pretend that Paramount is smarter than any of the other studios. Of all the movies scheduled for 2009, none have more buzz than Watchmen. Warner Bros. is clearly benefiting right now from their decision to preview the film at Comic-Con. TIME Magazine and various major publications have posted articles about Watchmen. Some of that attention could have gone to Star Trek. Unfortunately, "the effects weren't done."

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

No it didn't.

I agree with 22 Stars.

But with trek XI ... it's way too early.

 

[shatastrophic]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

No it didn't.

I agree with 22 Stars.

Me too, the whole William Shatner playing the nacelles was funnier.

This movie will tank. I pretty much have an idea of whats going to happen storywise without any new trailers.

 

[Akiraprise]

Don't leave us hanging in suspense. I need major plot spoilers immediately.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

I heard there will be lots of Sombreros in involved in the movie. I can't say where I heard this.

EDIT - I've changed my mind on the sombreros

 

[Nowhere Man]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

The OP has a valid point, my only problem is that the movie has a year to go, so Paramount can properly market the thing, they haven't blown it *yet*

Amen Brother!, I never thought it was funny

 

[shatastrophic]

In response to Akiraprise an earlier post on the subject;

In season 2 the episode Journey to Babel, we find out that Spock entered the academy 18 yrs prior as was already stated by Nerys Myk. If the academy is a 4 yr program and you typically start at age 18, then Spock was 22 when he graduated and at age 36 when JTB happens.

In the Deadly Years which was in Season 2 Kirk States he is 34. One could assume that in the episode Menagerie in season one, Kirk was 33. Per Memory Alpha under the episode synopsis, the events of the episode The Cage and the Enterprise heading to Talos occured 13 yrs prior.

That would mean that Kirk was 20 yrs old during the events of The Cage. Kirk would probably still be in the Academy for another yr or 2. That would also mean that The Cage was one of Spock's first missions.

It's not "unreasonable" to think because he is a Vulcan with a nice intellect that he got a post as Science Officer for the Enterprise as his first assignment. But there is also a window for Kirk to be a sophmore while Spock was a senior at the academy.

It could be plausible that as Spocks last commitment to the Academy as a Senior before going on his first mission was to try and bust this wunderkind of a phenom sophmore human known as Jim Kirk as nothing more than a cheat concerning the Kobyashi Maru. Probably because no one else has ever done it and its the logical thing to do.

However Kirk does not get in trouble for cheating, infact he gets rewarded, because of this he likes Spock nonetheless, he understands Spock's use of logic. Besides, no one would find out he cheated if Spock doesn't bust him. Spock then goes to the Enterprise under Pike while Kirk finishes school.

Because he's Jim Kirk and the coolest badass ever and he beat the no win scenario he obviously rises to Captain alot quicker than anyone else after graduating and then serving in various positions. When Kirk gets the news he's in command of the Enterprise and is aware that Spock is on board as Science Officer he requests that Spock become first officer.

Spock has 13 yrs on the ship and is familiar with it, he knows some of the crew,and because of the Kobyashi Maru, Kirk knows Spock will always do the right thing even it means going against the Captain. This is just how I picture it. But it does make it feasible for them to be at the academy together.

I also imagine that Scotty, Uhura, and Sulu were already serving on the Enterprise under Pike before Kirk, for just a few years at best. If Kirk was 34 and Spock 36 in season 2, I also imagine McCoy being around 40, that puts him at 39 in season 1 and 66 in TUC when he says he has been chief medical officer for 27 years at the trial.

In Generations it states that it is 78 years later so if we minus 7 yrs from the show to put us in Season 1 of TNG that leaves us with 71 years and if we add that to McCoy's age of 66 in TUC, that Makes McCoy 137 yrs old in Encounter at Farpoint.

I think they state his age as different by a year or 2 but it is close enough for me. It's kinda sketchy but that is how i rationalized it. I don't think Kirk and Spock were friends at the Academy. They knew of each other and had a rivarly as any underclassmen would have with a Senior.

Why does that stupid movie Drumline come to mind? Anyhow this rivarly created a working relationship that developed into a wonderful friendship as well. In my experience some of my greatest competition have become my greatest allies. But to answer the original question for this thread, until the news of this new movie, I just assumed they met when Kirk took command in WNMHGB.

-Of course this is just about Kirk and Spock's origin. This doesn't have anything to do with the aspects concerning Nero or Kirk/Spock's parents. But since this is a reboot, JTB or TDY and the ages figured with those episodes probably won't play into it. But this is my take on what an origin story concerning their relationship will be.

Fill in the blanks concerning what happens to Kirk after school if they stick to the TOS story and his pre-Enterprise relationship with Pike, as well as old Spock, Nero, and the parents. It could be a beautiful story. I still think it will tank because us fans are the only real people who care about these characters. No one else is interested in a Star Trek origins story.

 

[pookha]

uh actually a lot of indications are that the movie takes place at different points in time.
we also dont know just how old spock was when he entered the academy ect..

frankly some of it could be taking place when kirk was an instructor.

i have a feeling the how they meet is only a small part of the story.

 

[cultcross]

for Trek not having a significant presence in Comic Con is making me see red. How can Paramount fuck that up? Didn't it see how Comic Con helped Iron Man? What harm would have been there if there was an exclusive trailer for Trek? I don't buy Abram's words about the effects not finishing one bit.

It's being released 10 months from now. Odds are, the effects aren't even nearly done. Why rush? So they can satisfy a load of us nerds at Comic Con?
You complain that Trek is being marketed at this point to only appeal to hardcore fans:
1) Who do you think goes to and pays attention to Comic Con? Joe average movie-goer, the type you need to get bums on seats 10 months from now, has probably never even heard of it.
2) Who do you think is interested in the film this early on? Joe average movie-goer is interested in this summer's films. The ones out now and very soon. A movie out nearly a year away isn't even on the radar, except to us fans.

Overhyping the movie now would simply achieve to spoil some of the movie (and potentially put people off) when the only people interested at this point were 100% going to pay to see it anyway.

 

[Rii]

Please stop with the mexican hat thing, it stopped being funny about three weeks ago.

No it didn't.

Right, it was four weeks ago.

 

[pookha]

well i dont tell people not to wear certain avatars because i dont like that paticular band or find a paticular person funny.
no one is forcing any one to wear one or to read the blue nacelle thread.

as long as i find it fun i might wear one and maybe not.