And the ironic icing on the cake being that Nero plans to take out Vulcan with red matter.
Trek Prequel Comic -SPOILERS- (official COUNTDOWN review thread)
- Thread starter blaXXer
- Start date
And the ironic icing on the cake being that Nero plans to take out Vulcan with red matter.
I still don't know how Spock's "40 years on Romulus" comment is supposed to fit in there. According to the stardate, 18 years have passed since "Unification" and I didn't get the impression that Spock had already lived on Romulus for 22 years in that episode.
On the other hand, they made Leonard Nimoy look even older than he already is for his role. Why? Vulcans are not supposed to age so rapidly. Or is it because he's half human? Or is this story really set 40 years after "Unification", and it's the stardate that's wrong.
This could also explain why we have 25th century technology on the Enterprise (the three dimensional panels) and why Data is suddenly Captain of the Enterprise. Whatever explanation there might be about how he came back to life, according to the stardate only seven years have passed since "Nemesis". How did he make it from Lt. Commander to Captain in only seven years, or even less?
On the other hand, they made Leonard Nimoy look even older than he already is for his role. Why? Vulcans are not supposed to age so rapidly. Or is it because he's half human? Or is this story really set 40 years after "Unification", and it's the stardate that's wrong.
This could also explain why we have 25th century technology on the Enterprise (the three dimensional panels) and why Data is suddenly Captain of the Enterprise. Whatever explanation there might be about how he came back to life, according to the stardate only seven years have passed since "Nemesis". How did he make it from Lt. Commander to Captain in only seven years, or even less?
I don't think it has to be that complicated. This red matter/MacGuffin is apparently too complicated for Nero to get in the present, so he decides to go grab in it the past.
There, he can basically rape Vulcan unfettered, take whatever he needs, then bring it back to his timeline to save the day.
His superior technology should (in theory) make obtaining the red matter that much easier.
This makes him a better modern antagonist. Is he a hero or a villain? Or something in-between? We might even sympathize with him, to some extent.
I have a feeling Nero may not harbor any bad feelings towards Spock at all. Maybe they use up all the red matter, but fail. Then Nero goes back in time to steal some from the past. He may be following a twisted version of Spock's own philosophy: The needs of the many (the entire romulan empire) outweigh the needs of the (relatively) few - planet Vulcan.
Plus he can get back at the Klingons.
It's also possible the super-nova isn't entirely a natural occurance. Maybe them Klingons are pulling something...
So many possibilities.
Then why go after the Kelvin? Is Captain Robau's shiny bald head required to save Romulus?
Maybe he was just in the way.
Once Nero has committed to a certain number of casualties to make this plan work, the Kelvin is just a blip on the radar.
The needs of the many...
But then, if that was his plan he would not go to Vulcan to mine.
From what we know so far from Countdown 1 they want to mine Decalithium from the Kimben system, not Vulcan.
Vulcan just has the technology to turn decalithium into Red Matter and then use it to open the black hole.
So if his plan was just to go back in time and get decalithium, he would go into the Kimben system again and drill, not Vulcan.
Therefore drilling Vulcan must be just to destroy Vulcan.
Maybe we're looking at it backwards. Assume Vulcan and Romulus do team up to stop the supernova; maybe the plan backfires and actually makes things worse somehow, so Nero decides to travel back in time to stop the plan from ever happening or something like that...we've heard rumors that Nero overshoots his destination and goes too far back. Maybe destroying Vulcan in the past became his backup plan or something.
This does make some sense. A really big "kill the ones dearest to you" revenge scheme launched out of pure hatred. It also makes the plot a little more complex and not so one-dimensional sounding.
Good questions. Of which, the Data question has been bugging me the most. It's great to see him alive in the OT again but - how is it so. Perhaps Picard begged Q for a favor?
We heard nothing of Spock between TUC and Unification, he could have been on Romulus longer but it just took Starfleet that long to [accidentally] find him. I can imagine Spock, for the purpose of keeping his mission most secret, giving false information on his plans before leaving. No one would dare disrespect his privacy therefore his deception was not discovered until the long range scan took his picture.
On his looking older than he should, beats the hell out of me. The "human half" theory sounds workable though.
I'm still thinking it's B-4 after seven years of assimilating the original Data's old programming and memories...and thus "becoming" Data in the 2379-2386 interregnum. Otherwise, it creates an alternate/new timeline WITHIN a changed timeline. Idiotic.
Oh yeah, duh. I sometimes overthink things. That could very well be, I hope so.
B-4 awakening into Data would seem the most prudent course to go here given NEM basically left us with that route anyway.
Sharr
I wonder what happened to Picard.
Did he become Admiral and took a desk job after all, is he teaching at the Academy ...
Did he become Admiral and took a desk job after all, is he teaching at the Academy ...
I think I do recall reading back in October (the EW article or another from about the same time) something to the effect that the Kelvin happened along into the middle of some business already in progress,
the destruction of forty-seven ships of the Klingon fleet.
Agreed. But you never know what the officially-approved graphic novel/comic backstory to the new, canonical studio film is going to say. If it all but totally ignores NEMESIS and the events of the movie in favor of a "better history," it'll suck in ways even great graphic art can't make up for. NEMESIS is a lousy movie in many respects but it is established, accepted canon in the TREK universe...whether some of the old TOS timeline is reset and altered by the new film or not. Data is dead. End of story. B-4 is the only logical alternative to even have a "new" Data be captain of the Enterprise-E.
It has been stated many times that the comics are set after the events of Nemesis. Noone has suggested that the events of Nemesis will be ignored.
I think Sharr Khan was agreeing with you.
EM I don't think they will screw the NEM fans like that. TBTB said again and again, this one honors canon and NEM is part of it.
What do you guys think of the 2386 Starfleet uniform with the new commbadge? I guess this means the "All Good Things," "Visitor" and "Endgame" commbadge seen in every single late 24th/early 25th century future flash-forward since 1994 is now kaput because of reset and corrected timelines.
I like Data's new uniform. A lot.
I believe the same uniforms are part of the Star Trek Online upcoming game.
Can't say I have a problem with that. It doesn't spoil my enjoyment of any of these episodes.
Similar threads
