I saw the film not too long ago at a nearby theatre, and I had fully gone with the intention of answering this question... and then I got so swept up watching it with a crowd of fans I didn't even think of it again until the next day.
Trek Movies Blu ray help
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I saw the film not too long ago at a nearby theatre, and I had fully gone with the intention of answering this question... and then I got so swept up watching it with a crowd of fans I didn't even think of it again until the next day.
Yep, the only film that doesn't maintain it's original DVD commentary for the Blu Ray is TMP, understandably as that was specifically about the director's cut and a simple bit of editing as with the Meyer one wouldn't solve it.
I think though that the new DVD's that came out alongside the Blu Ray's only have the new commentaries on them.
I do think it's a shame the Blu Ray's didn't include all the cuts of the films when it would have been so easy to do so and keep everyone happy. Even with elements of the TMP 2002 version not being up to HD standards I think with two full HD versions of the film on the disc most people would have allowed that one its imperfections. It's also especially annoying on that film as the new commentary for the theatrical version has a chap who worked on the DVD cut constantly saying "Yeah, you see this bit that's a bit rubbish? We fixed that on the director's cut" as if to rub it in.
I'd love to get Nick Meyer's take on it. I don't know for sure, but I'd say he probably wasn't involved in the BD transfer.
I would also like to say that I worked at Paramount for 15 years, in distribution and screened TWOK on film many, many times. So I can, definitively answer the question of how it looked on film. Regula is brown. The Bluray color timing does not portray it that way. I managed the film depots in two regions of the US and had access to many actual 35mm prints from 1982 and even a more recently struck print.
Lol sorry about that dude!
No, it's highly unlikely it was a issue/mistake. The colour timing has been quite deliberately manipulated to varying degrees throughout the film, more noticeably in the example you give. Again, for me, the new colours are an improvement. I'll have to take your credentials on spec, but even if the BD colour timing is not the original - it's no different to remixing/remastering an old album and producing something that sounds better.
Thanks Lokai, I know what you mean. This change really doesn't work for me at all, but I respect your opinion as well. You can PM me anytime here or email me at rmeyers@nyc.rr.com or on linkedin Russell Meyers for my CV.
I think most of the movie looks amazing, don't get me wrong. These shots just really took me aback after seeing the film so many times and 'expecting' to see what I loved for so many years.
I think most of the movie looks amazing, don't get me wrong. These shots just really took me aback after seeing the film so many times and 'expecting' to see what I loved for so many years.
And to be clear, I don't know if a technician skewed these shots to the cooler tones 'on purpose' or not, or if it was anyone's aesthetic choice or a technical choice or product of the HD transfer.
Interesting to note that the TNG-R shots are a bit cooler as well (though not nearly as blue/grey) as these in TWOK. Old SD NTSC video didn't handle Red particularly well, so most stuff looks muddier and 'redder' from VHS and old broadcast, but not to this extent.
Interesting to note that the TNG-R shots are a bit cooler as well (though not nearly as blue/grey) as these in TWOK. Old SD NTSC video didn't handle Red particularly well, so most stuff looks muddier and 'redder' from VHS and old broadcast, but not to this extent.
No worries, 22. Thanks for your opinions too. Each to their own as they say!
No worries, 22. Thanks for your opinions too. Each to their own as they say!
I agree! I heard someone once say 'That's why they make 31 flavors!' referring to Baskin and Robbin's Ice Cream slogan, offering everyone something different depending on their taste
I'm just waiting for the person to pop-up that wants a special edition that turns Regula back to it's original color!
Only if it's done with CGI.
I've never understood Blu ray techonology anyway. I much prefer my old VHS and DVD collection. Blu ray seems just one more way to get hard-earned money from people who just can't say no to spending their cash all over the place. Other than better visual and maybe sound what is the advantage of these things? Do they even offer the same bonus materials as the SE series from a few years ago do?
I take it you don't have an HDTV? Watching Trek at 1080p is a definite treat. Damn near cinematic on my 40 inch flat panel.
Yeah. I don't get it, either. Why should we bother developing better technology at all?
I absolutely HATE it when they are changing old albums for the "better", because in almost every case it means changing it for the worse! I haven't heard a single remastered cd that sounds better than the original release!
Disagree. Off the top of my head the remasters for Van Halen's original "six pack" sound way, way better than the initial releases. The Rush remasters from a few years ago are similarly considerably superior. The Police remasters are top notch also. also. Perhaps you give an example of an album remaster you feel hasn't worked so well?
Not that I agree in all cases, but in this case they didn't produce something that looks 'better' to my eyes. Just like all remixes or remasters aren't always worse, it's a mixed bag, they aren't always better either. And that will vary depending on personal preference as well.
To the poster talking about not understanding Bluray, don't confuse higher resolution which Bluray has, to these tweaks we are talking about here. Get a new TV, HD cable box and/or bluray player and welcome to the 21st Century of clear non-pixelated images
Well... with HD cable boxes you get a whole new world of macro-blocking, most noticeable on scenes with alot of motion.
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