Trek Books that are just horrible -- new and old

[Zaku]

Dark passions...[/U][/
Some sort of weird Lezdom slash fiction .

*runs to Amazon*

Order TWO copies!

 

[Greg Cox]

It all cohered for me, actually. Both Swallow and George showed Sela as a powerful woman who was also tormented by her mixed Romulan-human heritage and her relationship with her dead mother, Swallow's depiction of her turmoil leading directly to the anti-Federation moves depicted in George. Praetor Kamemor's final dialogue with Sela as she was sitting in her sell, diagnosing her self-hatred as her reason for her incredibly risky actions, was on the nose.

I think you're confusing me with Dave McIntee. I've never written Trek fiction with Sela as a main character.

I don't know. Has anyone ever seen you and Dave McIntee together at the same time? Hmmm.

 

[EnriqueH]

Personally, I loved Black Fire. It's a novel that started as fanfic, though, and was edited for professional publication. I have the original version in one of my print 'zines (haven't read it yet).

I had the pleasure of meeting Sonni Cooper at a science fiction convention in Calgary, back in the '80s, when she and Bjo Trimble were the Guests of Honor. She's a delightful lady, and so enthusiastic in her love for Star Trek.

Did she address why she hasn't written another Trek book?


It is crazy, space pirate adventure with Spock. Prison planets, conspiracies, everything. I actually never bought it, but I think I checked it out from the library a dozen times when I was a kid.

I don't think I've reread it since adulthood, though, so I don't know how it holds up, but at the time it was AMAZING.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I read it as a teenager too and thought it was entertaining as hell, but then I read that damn article that claimed it was one of the worst Trek novels. I wish I could remember where I read that since I'm curious what made it such a bad novel.

What can you guys tell me about Black Fire?

Depending on how much of a sense of humor you have about Star Trek, it's either the worst thing ever or the best thing ever. It's a wildly over-the-top exercise in fanfictiony excess, but it's just so insanely epic a roller-coaster ride that your life will be poorer if you never experience it.

Yeah, when I think about Trek novels I've read, Black Fire is a standout. Since it has been 20+ years since I read it, the details of the book have become very vague except for remembering that I really enjoyed it.

 

[rfmcdpei]

It all cohered for me, actually. Both Swallow and George showed Sela as a powerful woman who was also tormented by her mixed Romulan-human heritage and her relationship with her dead mother, Swallow's depiction of her turmoil leading directly to the anti-Federation moves depicted in George. Praetor Kamemor's final dialogue with Sela as she was sitting in her sell, diagnosing her self-hatred as her reason for her incredibly risky actions, was on the nose.

I think you're confusing me with Dave McIntee. I've never written Trek fiction with Sela as a main character.

My mistake, sorry.

 

[TheAlmanac]

I really enjoyed Dark Passions. I find it a fun trashy read. It's got issues in how the women and gay/bisexuality is treated, but it's true to the spirit of the DS9 Mirror Universe.

It's been a while since I read Dark Passions, but its author, Susan Wright, is also the spokesperson for the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, so it's not as if her take on GLBT interactions is coming from a purely prurient point-of-view.

 

[Kirks_Flying_Wig]

I'm sure I've ranted about Engines of Destiny several times on this board over the years. Another recent one I didn't even finish was Inception. It was just so utterly boring, and it didn't help that I read it in the middle of Vanguard, which featured a compellingly-written Carol Marcus.

 

[Lonemagpie]

It all cohered for me, actually. Both Swallow and George showed Sela as a powerful woman who was also tormented by her mixed Romulan-human heritage and her relationship with her dead mother, Swallow's depiction of her turmoil leading directly to the anti-Federation moves depicted in George. Praetor Kamemor's final dialogue with Sela as she was sitting in her sell, diagnosing her self-hatred as her reason for her incredibly risky actions, was on the nose.

I think you're confusing me with Dave McIntee. I've never written Trek fiction with Sela as a main character.

I don't know. Has anyone ever seen you and Dave McIntee together at the same time? Hmmm.

Actually...

I'm the one with the hat.

 

[James Swallow]

I think you're confusing me with Dave McIntee. I've never written Trek fiction with Sela as a main character.

My mistake, sorry.

Not a problem!

I don't know. Has anyone ever seen you and Dave McIntee together at the same time? Hmmm.

Actually...

I'm the one with the hat.

What handsome lads. It's easy to confuse us both, with the beards and long hair, etc. Fortunately, we come with two different accents to enable easy identification.

 

[KRAD]

What handsome lads. It's easy to confuse us both, with the beards and long hair, etc. Fortunately, we come with two different accents to enable easy identification.

Yes, and also David has a hat. *nods*

 

[Lonemagpie]

What handsome lads. It's easy to confuse us both, with the beards and long hair, etc. Fortunately, we come with two different accents to enable easy identification.

Yes, and also David has a hat. *nods*

Of course, you and I have never been seen together. And we're both known for wearing hats. Hmm....

 

[Jedi_Master]

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Zap Branigan for the win!

 

[Timewalker]

Personally, I loved Black Fire. It's a novel that started as fanfic, though, and was edited for professional publication. I have the original version in one of my print 'zines (haven't read it yet).

I had the pleasure of meeting Sonni Cooper at a science fiction convention in Calgary, back in the '80s, when she and Bjo Trimble were the Guests of Honor. She's a delightful lady, and so enthusiastic in her love for Star Trek.

Did she address why she hasn't written another Trek book?

She was working on one at the time of the convention. I remember that because she read some of it to us. It was in the early stages, though, and obviously did not end up being accepted for publication. I don't know if she wrote anything after that.

 

[Disco]

Star Trek The Lost Era: Deny Thy Father. Good idea but very drawn out.

 

[Corran Horn]

I was disappointed in both the "String Theory" and "Dark Matters" trilogies.

I didn't enjoy Before Dishonor. I wouldn't go so far as 'horrible' for any Trek book I've read.

 

[Relayer1]

The Gemworld duology was petty poor. It could have at least been shortened to one bad book.

The Last Roundup isn't great.

Mind Meld is very dull.

The 'Vulcan's Soul' trilogy is tough going and rather unrewarding, but does bring some more TOS cast into the 24th century.

Vulcan's Forge is pretty bad.

The Fearful Summons is all kinds of awful.

Fallen Gods is boring.

Seize The Fire is too.

Too many of the SCE stories aren't worth the effort.

 

[borgboy]

I loved String Theory, and am surprised to hear it's unpopular with so many people.
The Last Roundup and Vulcan's Forge were both a bit dull in my opinion too.

 

[Masiral]

I loved String Theory, and am surprised to hear it's unpopular with so many people.
The Last Roundup and Vulcan's Forge were both a bit dull in my opinion too.

It's been quite a while since I read it, but I being confused a lot while reading String Theory. I just couldn't wrap my head around some of the concepts.

 

[Thrawn]

Fallen Gods and Peaceable Kingdoms were the worst 24th century books in recent memory for me.

 

[vegaslover62]

The one novel I thought just rambled and dragged on with virtually no action was New Earth: Rough Trails by LA Graf. Total drudgery.

 

[phurren]

I've just finished reading Jean Lorrah's Metamorphosis. That was horrible and felt like a real chore. There was too much 'fantasy' (and yes I know that there are some who see Trek as being closer to fantasy than SF anyway, but I'm not one of them). Also, the fact that

Spoiler: Metamorphosis

it was all a dream

really annoyed me. Surely someone who is creative can come up with a better reason than that!