Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
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Opening Weekend would be my guess, based on context.
Yes! That's exactly what I meant
Save this for when you guys see the movie if you're interested. A user comparing the final version to a rough cut they saw in 2022
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2022-screening-vs-official-spoilers.1249083/
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2022-screening-vs-official-spoilers.1249083/
It was alright. A lot better than Bumblebee which I found boring but it still felt rather lacking. It felt very small scale, which is odd considering the threat detailed
The main villain, Scourge was good. He gave me Lockdown vibes which is a good sign.
The big reveal at the end was rather surprising. I was expecting Sector Seven or NEST. Not them. How does that even work?
The main villain, Scourge was good. He gave me Lockdown vibes which is a good sign.
The big reveal at the end was rather surprising. I was expecting Sector Seven or NEST. Not them. How does that even work?
TBH, i have always felt that the GI Joe franchise would work better with the M.A.S.K universe. A Transformer/ GI Joe crossover sounds strange.
And also the M.A.S.K universe can work well with both the Transformers and GI Joe if you think about it. Humans driving transforming vehicles that fight each other.
You can make it like some humans in the government got a hold of some deactivated transformers and learn how to make transforming vehicles. Some rogue agents get a hold of the new technology and then set up VENOM and the good guys come up with MASK to counter them.
And also the M.A.S.K universe can work well with both the Transformers and GI Joe if you think about it. Humans driving transforming vehicles that fight each other.
You can make it like some humans in the government got a hold of some deactivated transformers and learn how to make transforming vehicles. Some rogue agents get a hold of the new technology and then set up VENOM and the good guys come up with MASK to counter them.
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I'm pretty sure there's been at least one Transforers/GI Joe crossover comic, but I don't know if it was any good.
I thought we heard something about some type of Captain Planet reboot recently?Seven Transformers and three GI Joe films so far this millennium, and not one Captain Planet picture?!
Anyone who says Hollywood is too liberal can piss off.
I just found out that they've actually been crossing over since the original 80s shows, at least on the Transformers side. Its been an interesting wiki dive, actually.
Cobra Commander showed up in an episode of the original Transformers cartoon (Season 3 Episode 23, Only Human). It was apparently implied that it was after Cobra had been defeated (Transformers at that point was set in the "future" of 2006, while I think the GI Joe cartoon was set in the "present" of the 80s), and Cobra Commander was operating as a mercenary called Old Snake, but its definitely him and voiced by the same actor (which makes sense, because the actor also voiced Starscream and a ton of other cartoons in the 80s through early 90s).
Also, a recurring Transformers human character in Season 3, Marissa Faireborn, is heavily implied to be the daughter of GI Joe member Flint (her father has the same voice actor and sounds the same, and according to the back of Flint's toy packaging his real name is "Dashiell R. Faireborn", and later a Transformers writer confirmed the connection).
So the idea that GI Joe and Transformers share the same universe goes back a long way.
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Transformers and GI Joe are both Hasbro properties, meaning crossovers between the two are hella convenient since you only need to get clearances from one source.
Bumblebee is still arguably the best crafted movie, but man, this one might be my favorite. It's filled with elements that hit all of my buttons, from Optimus and Airazor getting actual character arcs, to the giant robot animals, and the overall theme of "trust."
I wasn't expecting to like it at all based on the chaotic trailers and the advanced press, but this one is far, far better than any of the Bay movies. It actually likes its characters, for one, and both the humor and sincere moments land.
I wasn't expecting to like it at all based on the chaotic trailers and the advanced press, but this one is far, far better than any of the Bay movies. It actually likes its characters, for one, and both the humor and sincere moments land.
It was probably my favorite as well. Airazor's ark was rather dark and surprised me.
Just got to see the movie, and it was really fun. Its not particularly deep, and parts were a bit weak, but overall I enjoyed it a lot, its easily the best live action Transformers movie (outside of the opening 10ish minutes of Bumblebee that were on Cybertron). The human characters were actually fine, which is a first for the Transformers movies (even in Bumblebee I think the humans hold it back more then they help it). I do think that the Maximals were underused, and I think that Wheeljack was misused (he has a fairly iconic G1 design which is seen in Bumblebee, they didn't need to use his name for the slightly annoying "nerdy" Transformers who has maybe 10 lines of dialog and is easily the least interesting good Transformer). But besides that I thought that all the Transformers stuff was pretty good, I'm still not used to live action Transformers films having good action with characters you can tell apart even in the middle of the action.
Overall I think this is a solid, entertaining movie that deserves a lot better then the 53% critic rating on Rottentomatoes, and I hope it under performing at the box office doesn't make them shift the movie franchise back to a more Michael Bay style (meaning terrible humans, bad designs, etc).
Overall I think this is a solid, entertaining movie that deserves a lot better then the 53% critic rating on Rottentomatoes, and I hope it under performing at the box office doesn't make them shift the movie franchise back to a more Michael Bay style (meaning terrible humans, bad designs, etc).
This was solid. Better than the Bay films, but lacking the smaller scale and tighter cast that helped Bumblebee be an actually good movie.
I do wish they'd make more effort with their villains. Really only Sentinel Prime from Dark of the Moon, or maybe Lockdown from Age of Extinction, actually have a reason for doing what they're doing. The various incarnations of Megatron and now Scourge are just evil for the sake of being evil and so the heroes have someone to fight. Can we get some motivation? Some backstory? Every villain is supposed to see themselves as the heroes of their own story, right? These fail at that quite badly.
And I have to laugh, being a huge TF nerd, at the way the franchise uses character names. The Last Knight featured Hot Rod, who bore no resemblance to the character in any way beyond a slick car mode. But that means you can't call the star bot in this film Hot Rod, even though he is in every way Hot Rod. The attitude, the behavior, the personality. Even got to fight Unicron. So they slap the hologram power on him and call him Mirage. Lol. Don't get me wrong, it's a tiny, petty thing that in on way affects my enjoyment of the film, but it was in my head the whole movie. And I actually enjoyed Mirage in this, he was fun if sometimes obnoxious.
I do wish they'd make more effort with their villains. Really only Sentinel Prime from Dark of the Moon, or maybe Lockdown from Age of Extinction, actually have a reason for doing what they're doing. The various incarnations of Megatron and now Scourge are just evil for the sake of being evil and so the heroes have someone to fight. Can we get some motivation? Some backstory? Every villain is supposed to see themselves as the heroes of their own story, right? These fail at that quite badly.
And I have to laugh, being a huge TF nerd, at the way the franchise uses character names. The Last Knight featured Hot Rod, who bore no resemblance to the character in any way beyond a slick car mode. But that means you can't call the star bot in this film Hot Rod, even though he is in every way Hot Rod. The attitude, the behavior, the personality. Even got to fight Unicron. So they slap the hologram power on him and call him Mirage. Lol. Don't get me wrong, it's a tiny, petty thing that in on way affects my enjoyment of the film, but it was in my head the whole movie. And I actually enjoyed Mirage in this, he was fun if sometimes obnoxious.
They did reference F1 racer Mirage when he showed what other cars he can pretend to be.
I wish the other Maximals had more lines.
According to someone on TFW2005 forums who was at a test screening last year. Cheetor called Primal 'Big bot', in one scene just like in Beast Wars, but that was cut in the final film, and I'm sad.
Sure it's a minor easter egg, but that show was big part of my childhood.
Rampage (Beast Wars, not G1) was apparently designed for the film, but not used. He was only going to show up as a corpse.
This comes from the designers Instagram via TFW2005. Spoiler tagged due to size
I wish the other Maximals had more lines.
According to someone on TFW2005 forums who was at a test screening last year. Cheetor called Primal 'Big bot', in one scene just like in Beast Wars, but that was cut in the final film, and I'm sad.
Sure it's a minor easter egg, but that show was big part of my childhood.
Rampage (Beast Wars, not G1) was apparently designed for the film, but not used. He was only going to show up as a corpse.
This comes from the designers Instagram via TFW2005. Spoiler tagged due to size
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Which is double-stupid as that's not Mirage's power anyway, it's Hound's. Mirage was able to turn invisible.
The Transformers and X-Men movies both have that same problem. They sometimes just slap whatever name on whatever design with whatever personality type they want, with only passing regard for what came before.
With the caveat that all I know about Hot Rod comes from the 86 movie, how was Mirage in RotB literally anything like Hotrod? Hotrod in G1 was the "youngster" and a bit of a hot head, but his personality was nothing like Mirage in RotB, who seemed like he was more of a "young cool guy" archetype, with a bit of a streetwise style personality and a lot of wisecracking, which I don't associate with Hot Rod. Not that TLK's Hotrod was particularly like Hotrod either, but at no point watching RotB did I ever think of Hotrod when watching Mirage. Of course there is a whole season of the first cartoon after the movie with Hot Rod, and other continuities so maybe he is more like that in later incarnations, but I just really don't get the connection between RotB Mirage and Hot Rod, outside of both being treated like the younger/less experienced guys by the other Autobots.
According to the wiki, G1's Mirage's original bio had him making "mirages" of himself, aka something like holographic duplicates, they only changed that to invisibility for the cartoon, so they have some justification to do what they did in the movie. As someone who is unfamiliar with Mirage in general it makes much more sense to me for him to make duplicates then for him to turn invisible just based on his name.
That's fair. It's easy to forget sometimes that the cartoon ain't the real bible.
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