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Transformers: Age of Extinction - Grading & Discussion

What did you think of the movie?


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^^^Two questions:

Does Bumblebee talk in this film? And, do robots do kung-fu?! Because that might get me in the theater.
 
The didn't explain the whole Knight thing or where the Dinobots came from.
I think the dinobots were created when the aliens tried to cyberform the Earth and some of the dinosaurs were converted into that transformium metal.

Does Bumblebee talk in this film?
He talks using the same radio transmission voices he used in previous movies.

And, do robots do kung-fu?!
No.
 
The didn't explain the whole Knight thing or where the Dinobots came from.
I think the dinobots were created when the aliens tried to cyberform the Earth and some of the dinosaurs were converted into that transformium metal.

Sure it was implied (making the Dinobots potentially the first transformers) but it wasn't made clear. The seed doesn't make transformers but turns organic material into metal. Maybe it will be fleshed out more in the next movies.
 
Seems like Bay is trying to set a new record for film length to plot ratio. This was so long my back hurt when I had to get up at the end.
And this movie makes Autobot history even more confusing: In the first movie, they are made by the cube. In the second, they are born but need the pyramid device to power them. Now they were created by some alien race which killed the dinosaurs to create them (and then just left?) and can be even created by humans.
 
If Frozen was made by Michael Bay

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I'd still see it.

As for T4, I voted pretty good. It's not as good as I thought the others were, but I still liked it.

-Nice to see Prime in his original boxy vehicle mode, however briefly.

-I never liked characters like Lockdown and Swindle. I just have a thing against outliers in the TF conflict. Which means all of Stanley Tucci's bots annoyed me.

-Dinobots Rule! My favorite is still Slag, or whatever Bay calls the tricera-bot.

-Finally, Bay gave Frank Welker a decent role. It shouldn't have taken four movies.

-No, Bay didn't camera-rape any of the hot actresses, but compensated by adding a ridiculous number of hot actresses. I'm not sure how to feel..
 
The Dinobot origin from this film sounds similar to the Marvel comics, that they were created/constructed long before the modern counterparts, instead the cartoon version-that they were built after the Autobots were inspired by a museum visit(seriously).
 
Well, in the Marvel continuity they weren't built separately. They were part of the Ark's crew when it crashed, and its computer modeled them after the dinosaurs in the Savage Land after Shockwave landed there to investigate what happened to Megatron's crew. Marvel quickly dropped the idea that the Transformers were on Earth 616 and could interact with the main Marvel continuity, because of problems with doing so.

Poor Swoop's toy never made it to the UK, though, even though he made regular appearances in the Marvel UK issues that were imported. Oops... :biggrin:
 
Transformers (4): Age of Extinction

My Grade: .... C+ ???

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Set a few years after the events of the previous movie Autobots and Decepticons have gone into hiding and are being hunted by government officials. A down-on-his-luck near bankrupt Texas man who makes a living repairing junk and trying to be an inventor one day come across a beat-up cab-over semi-truck and thinks it may be useful for salvage and brings it back home.

Upon looking it over.....

Know what? I don't think a full plot summary is necessary here. The semi is a damaged Optimus Prime, repairing him leads to over two hours of Michael Bay splooging all over you with his usual brand of nonsense.

Only, this time, it seems his usual brand of nonsense has been re-formulated into Michael Bay Brand of Nonsense Classic, "New Michael Bay Brand of Nonsense" being what he's put all of us through since the first Transformers movie.

I used to really enjoy Michael Bay movie, "The Rock" is perhaps one of my more favorite action movies of all time even though Michael Bay clearly let his boner direct it. Armageddon is similarly decent over-the-top fun but something happened when he made Transformers, probably even more so with Transformers 2. Michael Bay went insane.

The first Transformers movie had some level of fun and interest in it, though it delved a bit too much into fairly offensive stereotypes, nonsense comic relief and not focusing enough on the characters wanted to see. (The giant fucking robots.) Our enemies are literally introduced to us in a montage of them moving in their vehicle form with a subtitle overlay of them responding to Megatron's hails.

The second movie cranked up the nonsense, cranked up the stereotypes and spent nearly the last half of it skull-fucking the audience into insanity.

The third movie dialed it back some but compensated for that by dialing up Shia LeBouf's screaming budget and douchebaggery levels. Plenty of nonsense in it but a bit easier nonsense than the second movie.

This one... Could Michael Bay have... Learned something? Did his brain grow three-sizes into something a bit more competent when it comes to film making?

Well, no.

But he *did* seem to *almost* learn a little bit, sort of like when an infant learns to smile by looking at its parent's faces, or farting or something.

We're left with a pretty decent Transformers movie and I dare say the best one of the franchise up to this point.

First of all, Shia LeBouff is gone and replaced with Mark Wahlberg who is a better actor and main character on astronomical levels. He still has some pestering moments and character traits that are just odd but he's not a terrible character to follow through the movie.

The comic relief is dialed down extensively. It's still there but a bit more nuanced and subtle (well, for Michael Bay.)

And most of all? The Autobots we follow are DISTINCTIVE and have CHARACTERS? Sure, they're largely tropes and still something of stereotypes but not quite offensive ones. These Autobots also are pretty large part of the movie, have time to develop and actually stand out.

Our other human characters also do a great job of bringing a tad of something to their characters and there's actually a character surprise at one point that goes against movie tropes, of which Bay gets a $1,000,000 kick-back to every time he uses one and loses $2,000,000 everytime he goes against one. Bay took one for the team by actually surprising me.

So what's there not to like?

The movie is too fucking long.

At over 2 and half hours the movie is rather tiresome to watch and there's quite a bit that could have been trimmed down or cut out. It's not utter time-wasting stuff like watching Shia struggle in college or trying to find a job, but some stuff goes on a bit too much and the pay-off for some of these things don't really hold up.

The relationship between Wahlberg's character and his daughter is strained since he's a money-wasting tinkerer who's pretty much lost his home to the bank. (Who knew owning 100 acres of Texas Farmland would be hard to pay for when your occupation is having neighbors dropping broken items for you to fix along with whatever money they could spare at your mail box?) He's the Trope of the over-protective father who doesn't want his 17-year-old-daughter to date ($$$) but she's dating anyway behind his back ($$$.) Throughout the movie her boyfriend pusses out of confrontations and doesn't do much to help her or her father ($$$) who rescues them all several times only for her to ignore her dad and hug and praise her boyfriend ($$$.) Then suddenly at the end of the movie the relationship between her and her dad is all... repaired and she's cool with him? There's NO development here. She pretty much goes from hating his guts, not realizing his heroics, to thinking he's King Hero.

It's almost as awkward as the toothy Afleck "Harry, I love you too!" moment from Willis' self sacrifice moment in "Armageddon." Where you're just there going, "Where did THAT come from?!"

Overall the movie is okay but really could of used some trimming down, the action scenes just sometimes go on for too long but, to be fair, are a little more coherent this time around. (If only because the bad-robots, ones designed by a company that has mastered the use of the meta-metal the Transformers are made of, have a radically different transformation method than the Autobots.)

I can't say, really if it's one to see or not. There's stuff to see and like and then there also isn't. The movie is just a bit long but not nearly as annoying as the previous movies because the comic relief and such has been toned down. There's a lot of problems I could also bring up that happen in the course of the movie (take a drink everytime one of our main human characters falls/is thrown a great distance, impacts other things or the ground and is caught/saved by an Autobot without any injuries whatsoever. Make out your Last Will and Testament first just to be safe.)

But in the end, I didn't hate it.

I didn't "like" it, but I didn't hate it. Again, it's probably the better one of these movies which, again, isn't saying a whole lot but there is an ounce or two of enjoyment here.

If it were edited down to 2 hours I think I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
 
The relationship between Wahlberg's character and his daughter is strained since he's a money-wasting tinkerer who's pretty much lost his home to the bank. (Who knew owning 100 acres of Texas Farmland would be hard to pay for when your occupation is having neighbors dropping broken items for you to fix along with whatever money they could spare at your mail box?) He's the Trope of the over-protective father who doesn't want his 17-year-old-daughter to date ($$$) but she's dating anyway behind his back ($$$.) Throughout the movie her boyfriend pusses out of confrontations and doesn't do much to help her or her father ($$$) who rescues them all several times only for her to ignore her dad and hug and praise her boyfriend ($$$.) Then suddenly at the end of the movie the relationship between her and her dad is all... repaired and she's cool with him? There's NO development here. She pretty much goes from hating his guts, not realizing his heroics, to thinking he's King Hero.

Tessa doesn't hate Cade. Disappointed is a better description. She's also self-absorbed with her own dreams and her own problems and she's as protective towards Cade as Cade is protective towards hers. As for no development, there is nothing to develop, the relationship is as strong as it could be with all their problems.
 
I give this movie a B+ and liked it better than DOTM. (I still don't understand to this day the human conspiracy element in the previous installment in which McDreamy's family business was involved. And why were the Decepticons trying to destroy Earth in T2 if Sentinel Prime had made a secret deal with the Decepticons to try to conquer Earth in the third movie?)

I thought the cinematography in AoE was topnotch, though the plot and characters were far from perfect.

Mark Wahlberg was a welcome new replacement for Shia LaBoeuf's tired old whiny teenager. As an inventor and a single father to a teenaged girl, he was instrumental in helping Optimus defeat the bad guys.

The actress who played Cade's daughter was the "token pretty girl with little to do" much like Megan Fox portrayed Mikaela in the first two films. The Irish boyfriend was just as two-dimensional and dispensable.

I felt there were two many villains in this story: Lockdown, Kelsey Grammer as a corrupt CIA official and head of Cemetery Wind, and Stanley Tucci, the highly ambitious and misguided industrialist who eventually became an ally to the protagonists. This, combined with the long meandering story, was one of the flaws that I was willing to overlook in this summer popcorn flick. And to me, the Dinobots were just inserted as an afterthought toward the finale.

Still, not a bad movie overall.
 
What an excessive film.

The biggest problem with AoE is that was a really, really good movie buried somewhere inside an extra hour of horrible bullshit. That's both better and worse than any of the movies in the prior trilogy - better, because none of the other movies had much good in them, and worse because holy shit this thing was 165 minutes long why did they do that? Why was there so much useless garbage filling the runtime, when sequences like the escape from Cade's farm and the infiltration of KSI show that Bay and Kruger are, in fact, able to make quality popcorn cinema (when they, ya know, feel like it)?

It also suffered from being two different movies played one after the other. The first, the story of a ragtag team of humans and autobots on the run from the law, engaging in corporate espionage to stop unethical and dangerous experiments, was really good and pretty original for this series. The second was another MacGuffan chase where some alien artifact is being tossed around a city somewhere while things blow up; that movie was not good at all. It was basically the Allspark/Mission City battle from movie 1 stretched out to three times the length and tacked onto the end of an already overstuffed story.

I feel that once this comes out on Blu-Ray if some talented fan can get their hands on it and edit it down by at least 40 minutes, it could be the best movie in the franchise so far. It's just too bad Bay has no self-control.
 
Yeah, there was just no need for this thing to be almost 3 goddamn hours long. There was just too much ((TM)-Michael Bay)

There's nothing wrong with 3-hour long movies, they happen all of the time. But usually because you've got a lot of story you want to tell and need that much time to do it.

But there wasn't 3-hours worth of story here. There wasn't one-hour worth of story. It was just pounding us with nonsense and excess pretty much the whole time. Hell, if Bay probably could have gotten the movie in under two and half hours if slo-mo shots didn't give him a boner.


As for no development, there is nothing to develop, the relationship is as strong as it could be with all their problems.

No, there still needs to be a character and story arc. Things need to start low, crash lower and then be built back up again to end higher than where it was.

Okay, sure, she doesn't *hate* her father (other being extremely disappointed in him, yelling at him all of the time, and exclaiming how glad she'll be when she's no longer under his roof but, yeah she doesn't hate him) but she sure doesn't strictly "like" him either considering how she behaves the entire movie.

So, there needs to be an arc. You begin where we do in this movie then at some point something needs to happen that causes her to dislike him/be disappointed in him even more. He looks in himself at his flaws and how he's a large part of the rift between them and overcomes it by doing something great and heroic in order to impress her and make her realize she's wrong about her father.

This movie doesn't do that. This movie happens to take place when she's on the rag and she goes from bitching him out to loving him deeply and warmly at the end with no connection between the two points.

All of it didn't follow.
 
No, there still needs to be a character and story arc. Things need to start low, crash lower and then be built back up again to end higher than where it was.

Not necessarily. I've seen great movies where in the end nothing changes ("Shame" is a good example of this)

Okay, sure, she doesn't *hate* her father (other being extremely disappointed in him, yelling at him all of the time, and exclaiming how glad she'll be when she's no longer under his roof but, yeah she doesn't hate him) but she sure doesn't strictly "like" him either considering how she behaves the entire movie.

She's acting like a teenager toward her father. That's not proof that she doesn't "like" him.

So, there needs to be an arc.

My point is you don't need an arc. In fact the whole "hero journey" is an overused trope. The fact that Cade is an average guy who rises up to the challenge is fine. The fact that he's still basically the same person (except with an alien sword gun) is better.
 
Hell, if Bay probably could have gotten the movie in under two and half hours if slo-mo shots didn't give him a boner.
Yeah, how about that scene where the boyfriend literally drives over Titus Welliver's men and his car is practically hovering in place while the men go flying every which way. :rommie:
 
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io9's Charlie Jane Anders has written some epic TF reviews...



ROTF: "Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie"
ROTF is like twenty summer movies, with unrelated storylines, smushed together into one crazy whole. You try in vain to understand how the pieces fit, you stare into the cracks between the narrative strands, until the cracks become chasms and the chasms become an abyss into which you stare until it looks deep into your own soul, and then you go insane.


DOTM: "Transformers 3 is a movie about how wrong you were to hate Transformers 2"
The main emotion that comes off Shia LaBoeuf, from the first frame to the last, is a bitchy, indignant rage, interspersed with feeble attempts at ingratiation. Mutt is pissed. This is way worse than the time those monkeys kept grabbing his butt. This time, it's his self-worth and his ability to abseil off a robot's neck to glory that are being called into question, over and over again. Don't they know he got the Matrix of motherfucking Leadership last time around? And a medal from the motherfucking president?
After a few hours of seeing Shia get dissed, overlooked and mistreated, the message becomes clear: Shia, as always, is a stand-in for Michael Bay. And Bay is showing us just what it felt like to deal with the ocean of Haterade — the snarking, the Razzie Award, the mean reviews — that Revenge of the Fallen unleashed.


Happily, her newest review doesn't disappoint, either:
This is the least fun Transformers movie. Even Transformers 2 had a certain jolly insanity. You expect a Transformers film to be ten hours long and feature incomprehensible shit-in-a-blender action sequences and borderline offensive stereotypes — but you don't expect it to be this joyless. Depressed, even. Optimus Prime mopes through this movie, occasionally mustering a weird outburst like "I'll kill you" before subsiding back into anhedonia.

Even the movie's big fist-pumping triumphant sequences feel grudging, like "here you go, whatever. You can pump your fist if you want, I guess. I don't care." The movie manages to make dinobots feel sad and pathetic. DINOBOTS.
 
The didn't explain the whole Knight thing or where the Dinobots came from.
I think the dinobots were created when the aliens tried to cyberform the Earth and some of the dinosaurs were converted into that transformium metal.

Sure it was implied (making the Dinobots potentially the first transformers) but it wasn't made clear. The seed doesn't make transformers but turns organic material into metal. Maybe it will be fleshed out more in the next movies.
That's not how I interpreted it. I thought the seed was only capable of cyberforming ground and whatever organic lifeforms (as we saw with several dinosaurs and Lucas) get turned into transformium statues. It looked to me like the Dinobots were Cybertronian soldiers from somewhere else in the universe who Lockdown found satisfaction in capturing as trophies. Granted, I can't rule out that the Dinobots are old enough to have been around to trans-scan dinosaurs. But that wouldn't explain Strafe's two-headed pterosaur mode. No Earth animal is like that.

Is anyone else besides me confused as to how Transformers in the live-action film series can have "Creators"? The first movie clearly showed the Allspark creating Transformers! Does this mean that the Quintessons created and manipulated the Allspark to create hatchlings that became the Transformers that we know? The Fallen and his brothers didn't seem to know anything about that.
 
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I voted 'terrible'.

Okay-ish for the first thirty minutes, felt like the next two hours could've been done in thirty minutes.

It was loud and obnoxious for those two hours. I had a pounding headache by the time it was over.

My wife and seven-year old son enjoyed it though.
 
The movie has hit the $100 million mark that was expected domestically and with the worldwide take, it has made a total of just over $301 million.
 
The movie is rater long and it's hard to hear complaints about the "orgy of destruction" at the end of Man Of Steel after seeing this movie. But at least there's no Witwitcky family nonsense, although it was alittle sad to lose Ratchet that way. Still the movie feels like a soft reboot and of course we'll be seeing more Transformers movies.
 
As someone who loved all three previous movies despite their faults... I had some problems with this one. I still liked it, but I had a lot of small problems with it.

--There's basically two different unrelated story lines going on here. The Galvatron / human-made Decepticon story. And the Lockdown / intergalactic bounty story. The two almost never touch each other. Galvatron and Lockdown are never aware of the other's existances.
--Why did they remove every single human character from the OT?! I understand removing Shia, but what about everyone else? By the third film we had a substantial supporting cast. Why didn't all their human allies help them hide, or come to rescue in this one?
--The new human characters are just not interesting. Marky Mark. No. Teen Daughter. No. Mr "I have to carry around a laminated legal statement to prove I'm not a statuatory rapist" Boyfriend. Good lord. What a horrible trio to carry the movie on. If it was Marky Mark and his daughter that would have been fine, but this whole thing about the boyfriend? Ugh. I kept waiting for Mark to punch him in the face.
--They shockingly name drop the mysterious god like creatures of the Transformers... but it doesn't go anywhere. I realize it's set up for the next movie but jeez.
--I really wish the Dinobots appeared a LOT sooner in the movie. I was incredibly excited about this movie based on ROBOTS RIDING DINOSAURS, and it doesn't happen until the final 20 minutes!
--Did not need to be 2 hours and 45 minutes.
--I will say that I did like how Stanley Tucci's character realized the err of his ways and redeemed himself.
--Megatron was never that terribly interesting a character in the movies, so ressurecting him like this seems a little unnecessary. It's too bad they suggested him as a dark mirror of Optimus (and Stinger as a dark mirror of Bumblebee) but then never did anything with that.
--And did they really have to get rid of all the old Autobots as well? I didn't really care for the new characters for that much.
--Interesting bit: they showed an alien being on Lockdown's ship! They've never shown an alien-alien before!
--This movie was a lot darker and more serious than the previous ones. The only "funny" character, TJ Miller, shockingly dies quite early, which sucks because he was the only human I actually liked. The movie should have been Mark, Daughter, TJ. The previous movies were full of goofy characters to lighten the tone.
--What the point of Sophia Myles' character? She doesn't do anything. She's briefly part of a chase at the end, and then they just drop her off. She's never fully a part of the movie.
 
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